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Comment Re:Also required reading in history of technology (Score 1) 28

A tangent on another historian of science and technology I enjoyed taking a course from and who wrote about information technology and who died relatively way too young:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
        "James Ralph Beniger (December 16, 1946 -- April 12, 2010) was an American historian and sociologist and Professor of Communications and Sociology at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California, particularly known for his early work on the history of quantitative graphics in statistics, and his later work on the technological and economic origins of the information society."

RIP Jim. Thanks for being an excellent -- and kind -- professor. And mentioning me and other students with thanks in your Control Revolution book.

And thanks also introducing me to the 1978 book "Autonomous Technology: Technics-out-of-Control as a Theme in Political Thought" by Langdon Winner --- which just gets more relevant every day.
https://www.amazon.com/Autonom...
        "This study of the idea of technology out of control makes an important contribution to our understanding of the problems of civilization. The basic argument is not that some persons or groups promote technology against the public interest (true though that is), or even that our technology develops in its own way in spite of all our efforts to control it (also true in some respects). Rather, Winner is concerned with a more subtle effect: the artifacts that we have invented to satisfy our material wants have now developed, in size and complexity, to the point of delimiting or even determining our conception of the wants themselves. In that way, we as a civilization are losing mastery over our own tools.... 'As a source for readings and reflections on this problem, the book is rich and rewarding.... If it has a practical lesson, it is that of awareness: only by recognizing the boundaries of our socially constructed scientific-technological reality can we transcend them in imagination and then achieve effective human action.'"

Winner's book is perhaps a sort of antithesis of "The Soul of A New Machine"? In that sometimes technologists (I'm looking at your OpenAI and cohorts) can get so excited about problem solving and miss the big picture. Related humor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes...
        "This reminds me of the engineer who is condemned to death, but as his turn approaches they find that the mechanism on the electric chair is no longer functioning. About to send everyone home, the engineer calls out "Wait! I think i can see the problem!""

I heard that Winner did not get tenure at MIT essentially because he suggested that the method of education used there was essentially blinding the MIT students to the social implications of what they were doing. A related book:
https://web.archive.org/web/20...
        "Who are you going to be? That is the question.
        In this riveting book about the world of professional work, Jeff Schmidt demonstrates that the workplace is a battleground for the very identity of the individual, as is graduate school, where professionals are trained. He shows that professional work is inherently political, and that professionals are hired to subordinate their own vision and maintain strict "ideological discipline."
        The hidden root of much career dissatisfaction, argues Schmidt, is the professional's lack of control over the political component of his or her creative work. Many professionals set out to make a contribution to society and add meaning to their lives. Yet our system of professional education and employment abusively inculcates an acceptance of politically subordinate roles in which professionals typically do not make a significant difference, undermining the creative potential of individuals, organizations and even democracy.
        Schmidt details the battle one must fight to be an independent thinker and to pursue one's own social vision in today's corporate society. He shows how an honest reassessment of what it really means to be a professional employee can be remarkably liberating. After reading this brutally frank book, no one who works for a living will ever think the same way about his or her job."

Anyway, I am so thankful for people like Jim Beniger, Langdon Winner, Michael Mahoney, and others who provided a larger perspective to technologists on what they were doing.

If I can find fault with "The Soul of a New Machine" from hazy recollections from 40+ years ago I don't think it did that. It's still informative though on how technology -- like now AI development -- can become addictive for techies with both good and bad aspects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      "The book follows many of the designers as they give almost every waking moment of their lives to design and debug the new machine."

It's maybe kind of like the difference between books that glorify warmaking and "winning" versus those that glorify peacemaking and "win/win/win"?

An example of the latter is "To Become a Human Being: The Message of Tadodaho Chief Leon Shenandoah".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Or an essay by Terry Dobson on Aikido:
https://livingthepresentmoment...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      "My teacher taught us each morning that the art was devoted to peace. "Aikido," he said again and again, "is the art of reconciliation. Whoever has the mind to fight has broken his connection with the universe. If you try to dominate other people, you are already defeated. We study how to resolve conflict, not how to start it." ..."

Or in a way Theodore Sturgeon's "The Skills of Xanadu" 1956 short story about wearable networked mobile computing for sharing knowledge that inspired Ted Nelson to invent hypertext which contributed to the creation of the web.

Or Alfie Kohn's "No Contest: The Case Against Competition":
https://www.alfiekohn.org/cont...

One of the most interesting things I overheard at lunch at IBM Research was something along the lines of "We hire the top people from the most competitive schools -- and then wonder why they can't get along and cooperate."

And I'd add, wonder why many technologists rarely take much time to think about the broader social implications of what they are doing.

And "Soul of a New Machine" -- from what I can remember of it -- exemplifies and celebrates that focused mindset.

I can thank someone (maybe Bruce Maier?) who posted this essay to the Lyrics TOPS-10 timesharing system I used in high school circa 1980 -- for helping me have some reservations about such narrow focus:
"The Hacker Papers [about some Stanford CS students]"
https://cdn.preterhuman.net/te...
      "As much as an essay, this is a story. It is a true story of people paying $9,000 a year to lose elements of their humanity. It is a story of the breaking of wills and of people. It is a story of addictions, and of misplaced values. In a large part, it is my own story. ..."

Comment Also required reading in history of technology (Score 1) 28

Also assigned reading in Michael Mahoney's course on the history of science and technology at Princeton circa 1984. Although I had read it already -- and found it inspiring.

RIP Tracy Kidder.

And also RIP Professor Mahoney who died in 2008 at the relatively young age of 69 -- just when a historian is typically getting very productive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

https://www.dailyprincetonian....

"Histories of Computing"
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/bo...
"Computer technology is pervasive in the modern world, its role ever more important as it becomes embedded in a myriad of physical systems and disciplinary ways of thinking. The late Michael Sean Mahoney was a pioneer scholar of the history of computing, one of the first established historians of science to take seriously the challenges and opportunities posed by information technology to our understanding of the twentieth century."

It's going to be a rough next decade with ongoing loss of pioneers of personal computing and those who wrote about them or who inspired them. People like Steve Jobs and Doug Engelbart and Isaac Asimov and Theodore Sturgeon who have passed on years ago. Glad that Steve Wozniak and Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls and so on are still hanging in there! A heartfelt thanks to all of them for giving us possibilities -- even if we may not be doing great things with them right now.

"Original architects [Wozniak] of the personal computer hate what it's become..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

"Steve Wozniak says he's "disappointed a lot" by AI and rarely uses it"
https://www.techspot.com/news/...

Comment uh (Score 2) 16

"The tool won't be used for evaluation purposes, but is designed to provide a better estimate of employee workloads."

Yeah, specific employees.

Anyway, this is a good point, people can only stare at a screen for so long, unless they're playing video games. Obviously they need to gamify trading. I mean, more than they already have

Comment Re:How about we verify the moderators here? (Score 1) 70

Seems to be evidence that your joke is too true to be funny.

That is exactly the space I am always trying to inhabit. Sometimes I even get there.

Or how about a higher tax rate if the profits are based on proven lies?

Taxing bad behavior is just another variation of the evil bit, or vice versa I suppose.

Comment Re:Who gave Paul modpoints? (Score 1) 80

I really don't understand why the only two women candidates that Democrats have run have at least appeared to be at the authoritarian end of their party.

There are two main problems with Democrats. First problem, they are not actually left enough. They are solidly in the pockets of big business, they always vote to increase funding to the MIC, etc etc. They are mostly just as addicted to money as Republicans. (On average it costs more to bribe them, which is mildly interesting although it doesn't change anything for us - it's been studied and it costs more in "donations" to get them to vote like shitheels, but they still do it.) Second problem, which is related to that problem: they think they can court the right wing. Well, they fucking can not. They shift right to try to get votes and it doesn't work. They keep going conservative and losing, and they do it with such gusto that it's difficult to believe it's not on purpose.

Harris failed to condemn genocide for both of these reasons, and that is a huge reason why younger voters stayed home. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I still believe that's a huge factor here.

Comment Re: Comedian does not a fantasy writer make (Score 1) 134

You don't get to claim to be one if you're not actually living the faith and, as you're obviously not Catholic,

Correct, I am not a simp for the world's longest running child rape conspiracy.

you certainly don't get a fucking say in it.

I don't need to have one. You actually do get to claim to be one if you're not actually living the faith, and you know who decided that? The church. In between raping children and relocating child molesters to other locations so they can rape more children, the priests and bishops and popes took some time out to say it's OK as long as you keep trying to come in and give them money and children.

Comment Re:Robot philosopher? (Score 1) 80

Touché! Good point on "actually" and whether it is qualified, thanks. I guess that word only fits in relation to there actually being a novel which I was referring to? But I agree I should have worded that better. The word "fictionally" might have been a better choice? Glad your comment sparked some tangential discussion by others.

Comment Re:Who gave Paul modpoints? (Score 1) 80

I don't care what their race or sex is. I'm concerned about their age, religion, and views on war crimes and slavery.

We know Obama did war crimes because he told us about them. That's how brazen the servants of the MIC have become. (inb4 I get accused of racism this time: We know Trump does more drone strikes without due process than Obama did, because until Trump rescinded Obama's EO on reporting of such strikes, he was doing four times as many of them.)

Comment Re:Colbert is Too Openly Partisan for This (Score 1) 134

We've all seen it where openly partisan writers or directors, especially Netflix and Disney, incorporate their politics into their movies or shows and destroy their essence in the process

LOTR is about freedom vs oppression, had not just strong but powerful female characters from the get-go, and the morals are about ordinary people defeating evil by being true to their fellowship. It's woke AF from start to finish.

Comment Re:Why? Please, why? There are so many excellent . (Score 2) 134

You know full well that while it deviated from the books in some minor and a couple of major, ways (they did our boy Tom Bombadil wrong)

They only left him out, they did much worse to Faramir.

Tom Bombadil was important to the books, to give a certain feeling. But not so much to the movies, which felt epic enough without him.

Comment Re:If required, I'll delete my account/posts/comme (Score 1, Troll) 70

Which means the only way to delete the posts is to go through each one by one.
And what are the chances that a repetitive task like that is going to be seen as "bot like" behavior? 100%?

I would assume it's very high, but you could do it in a way that would be less likely to trip the detectors by adding randomness and doing it over a long period. If one starts now, one probably has plenty of time to get it done.

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