Exactly - And there is the interesting part. The typical angry response does not allow for any deviation from the idea that people who work from home are the most competent, most productive employees who will have the world beating a path to their door.
Yes this is true. There are of course some good remote jobs, but not enough. The first part is obviously true. So why not the second part? Well it must be an army of incompetents and quislings like you and I not just standing in their way but actively fighting them.
Certainly some people do work better alone.
It's certainly true that some people can work better alone. And it's also true that some people can figure out what the right thing to work on better alone. The intersection isn't close to 100% though, and I think quite a lot of people can end up working effectively on a task that's not especially important. It's the useless interruptions which can let you know what the important problems are.
Another thing is despite what appears to be the norm on Slashdot, most people need a bit of actual humanity around them. Or perhaps most people are cowed into silence by their histrionics if some dares to disagree. But humans are by and large social creatures. Introversion is not the norm. Nothing wrong with introversion, but there seems to be a conscious effort to force on others these days.
Also introversion isn't absolute in most people.
Finally, a person who wants to slack off ie, a lazy person - will have a marked tendency to love WFH. Just sayin'!
Yeah, and not just that. I've noticed a tendency among a certain sort of programmer to also convince themselves that say upgrading from yesterday's must have web framework to today's must have web framework (while incidentally learning all about today's must have web framework) is really really really important actually so guess what gets done on the WFH days? The big boss is in an idiot you see and doesn't understand the pressing need to update a working, relatively bug free and lightly used end point. So they might be working effectively in as much as writing company code, but not usefully.
Also slackers. Slackers love WFH.
Yes, some people have the need to make shit up
This comes back to your first point about the presumed superiority. Providing counterexamples attacks their presumed superiority so it is equivalent ot a deeply personal attack. So you get the kind of response as if you've insulted their mum or whatever.
That hasn't been my experience
No one EVER replies as quickly by text (I'm guilty too). The in person-ness does some effective filtering. Person not there? Well, wait. Person busy? You may be able to judge if your needs are higher priority and they better be if you interrupt. Every text system I've had always gets a high proportion of near spam which necessitates mental filtering which stop instant responses often.
What you describe sounds a little like that.
Yeah could be. I wouldn't class myself as either introvert or extrovert. I can do and enjoy people stuff but it does completely knacker me after a while.
Observing that some people aren't responsible enough to work without someone breathing down their neck is a wildly different claim than saying the work itself couldn't be done remotely.
I don't think it's that simple. Sure, if you're talking about physical possibilities for single instances. But those aren't anything other than a bound because you have to have people to do the tasks. Once you've got low to mid skill people in a dull, dead end job, you have a problem. For certain kinds of job, I reckon it becomes more or less impossible to motivate the majority of people who will actually do the job.
At that point what does it matter if someone could in theory do it remotely?
Humidity is currently 91% in Yangsan.
My original statement, just a statement without anything incendiary in it, has ignited a firestorm of profanity, personal insults and general anger. Because people disagree with me, their rage is somehow appropriate.
I have encountered much the same. I think on a previous thread I stated that I tried WFH, hated it and even though I was a solo contractor, paid for a desk in a co-working office so I could be out of the house and have other people to talk to, and that actually proved incredibly and let to me doing a startup (didn't work out but that's another story).
Yo wouldn't believe (well hyperbole, obviously you would) the batshit insane things people here were saying to me, such as I'm a shit manager and a worthless employee who leans on other people's work and steals credit because what other possible reason could there be to be in work?
I am honestly not sure what part of "independent contractor in a co-working space" they didn't understand.
But it's this incredibly blinkered view that WFH is GOOD and RIGHT and anyone who has any alternative experience or opinion is (a) out to get them (b) stupid and (c) evil. All for the crime of being a human with only very mild introversion (I like and need socialising, but too much is draining and I need quiet focus time too).
But maybe it's this too:
Maybe it makes them feel better living in a world where competence is inversely proportional to ones place on the food chain.
but we now know virtually all white collar work can effectively be done remotely;
Do we know that? I sometimes have to interact with some particular people in a non IT white collar profession. They ain't good at replying to emails and so I phone them yet "lunch break" now seem to extend from about 11 to 3. Those fuckers need to be back in an office with someone actually watching over their shoulder so that they are actually at their desk and actually answer the phone if it rings. Oh and I only ever have to call because of paperwork that hasn't been done for too long.
I have a friend who's pet theory was HR's main goal was to tune compensation to keep the attrition level where the company wanted it.
Your friend's pet theory is predicated on HR being both really smart and working in complete lock step with management.
You'll argue "If I'm doing my job, I don't need managers." A good manager should be taking care of the sh*t you don't need or want to be doing. Either doing it themselves or seeing that someone else is taking care of it and not blocking you.
And also ensuring that what you're working on is the right thing to be working on. A good manager should have some idea of what direction product development is going in the short, medium and long term and what other teams and projects are doing that may effect the manager's team.
Well also that and that valuation i predicated on growth that' physically impossible.
AI companies have started talking about "GW" of installations which makes it simpler to analyze. The electricity capacity doesn't exist to meet the growth predictions. The manufacturing capacity doesn't exist to manufacture the generation capacity required to meet growth predictions. The capacity to build manufacturing facilities to match predictions doesn't exit.
The market has gone irrational because there's no way growth can match predictions. I ain't shorting though because Keynes isn't wrong.
I expect any other irrationality will also bite hard. Claude is pretty good, really. Not, like, perfect and AI will destroy the world and programmers, but the genie is out of the bottle here, something like it is here to stay. It's too useful. But let's say OpenAI stumble and suddenly their terrifying outgoings slightly tip over and they go very broke very fast, well, the market will panic and go omgomgomgomgAIisbadactually!!!111onelelevne and the entire thing, Anthropic included, will crash through the floor, even though people will, for example, still be spending a lot on Anthropic.
Where's the part of small government, freedom, free market, don't tread on me now?
Right there in power, it was all lies and a branding exercise. The right have never held to those beliefs, but it turns out that a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth for enough people that they can get into power.
But you know "both ides" so I voted for the worst. How come on one ever says "both sides" so I voted for Harris?
HP 4%, etc.
Well HP had the genius idea of putting a 8723409821E+27% markup on printer ink while selling the printers at a loss to bring in customers. Unfortunately they also forgot to not make their printers so shit that they self destruct before HP make enough back on the ludicrously overpriced ink.
It's like the shittines doubles for the customer, but somehow cancels out on HP's end.
Fuck HP. Also Apple, can't stand those fuckers (shame their CPU is so good), but also and especially and for ever fuck HP.
Either you posted AI slop or you've been reading so much that you've tarted to ape chat GPT's style.
Anyone who doesn't think it's impressive can go hand in their engineer card at the door.
This feels a bit like a distinction without a difference?
Development feeds into distribution however you do it, so, at some point you have to deal with that.
Besides, pypi is more of a package distribution system than a software development system.
It's later than you think, the joint Russian-American space mission has already begun.
