You see, there is one thing that is called "propaganda". It is what you have eaten up. Then there is another thing called "reality" or "actual intent". It is something entirely different.

Seems they cannot even get basic things done reliably now.

While this is true, those jobs are few in number.

Historically, little. The bulk of DCs have typically been located where people could go to them because that used to be more necessary, and therefore they were concentrated around tech firms. And they were planned out years in advance, and mostly sited where it made sense. They also weren't maximally power-dense, as there were other considerations. AI DCs are more power intensive, as they're shoving as many processors and as much memory as possible into every rack. And they're building them fast and desperately, so anywhere they can find to cram them in.

That means yes, noise issues, but also lots of other problems associated with rapidly installing extremely power intensive facilities in awkward locations when infrastructure is already strained. Resulting issues with power and water availability are now well documented.

Good thing they are nowhere near having a monopoly then

I agree. The existing players themselves would increase capacity in hope of outcompeting one another if they thought this would last.

Nope. There will be more idiots behind them.

Things systemd doesn't do for 200, Alex

Rent free.

Yeah but in practice virtually zero of them are actually closed loop. Even when it is claimed they are there is often a cooling tower which is used sometimes, which means they only sometimes operate in a closed loop mode.

Godwin's law obviously has no modern relevance given that it was invented for USENET and that was effectively destroyed.

Now seriously though it never spoke to whether or not the comparisons to Hitler were apt, as that is situational, only that they would occur.

And sidebar, Mike Godwin explicitly stated that such a comparison is apt when it comes to der pedofuhrer. Just like to toss that in there.

The guys who built those giant ovens could have told themselves that somebody was going to be baking a whole lot of bread ... very inefficiency.

Somebody wired up all those ICBM missile silos too. The ones who do think all of the above is just fine. There will always be someone.

Well, not just one young arrogant engineer, also most of the maintainers of the major Linux distros in the world.

If it's really a bad idea, the blame doesn't really fall on Poettering. Many young, arrogant engineers have built things that were stupid, and their things got ignored by the world. Some smaller number of young, arrogant engineers have built things that were stupid but were able to convince their PHBs that they weren't stupid and they got deployed. I don't think that's how I'd characterize the leadership at Red Hat (I never worked there, but I have good friends who did), but let's suppose that they were clueless and that's why they deployed Poettering's stupid idea.

But then how do you explain why so many others looked at it, experimented with it for a few years, and then decided to adopt it, and even extend it?

The systemd opponents are loud and forceful on social media. The people who actually build the systems, however, disagree. And It's not just one or two groups who are somehow beholden to Poettering, nor is it people who don't know anything or have no technical stake in the decision.

You might want to consider whether you're living up to your nick here.

I don't personally care that much. I find it mildly annoying that the old scripts my finger muscle memory still wants to type by default don't always work... but honestly I rarely need them any more, because my systems Just Work. And I have to consider the possibility that systemd is part of the reason Linux requires so much less maintenance than it used to. There are multiple contributors here. A lot of it is that drivers have gotten a lot better and other aspects of the system have matured (like the audio subsystem :^)).

But given its broad adoption by nearly all open source and commercial Linux distros, Occam's razor says that it's probably better than sysvinit. Or BSD init. Or Upstart. Or OpenRC, or... <insert favorite system manager here>.

This is why there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. The worst people have the most money because they have no compunctions about harming others.

It doesn't actually provide that because of the things you can't do in unit files without scripts.

When systemd proponents can construct a non-fallacious argument maybe I'll consider taking it seriously

I guess they have to do this. But it will slow down adoption. You can probably get a Linux-capable and about as powerful system for a fraction of that from the Win11 hardware apocalypse...