> The same /. bunch who seem to generally believe that "everyone should learn coding!"
There's a /. bunch who believe this? Usually articles posted here promoting a "Learn to code" program get a fair amount of skeptism.
> are a fairly narrow socio economic cadre who would predictably denigrate faith. As Haidt would define you/us, it's WEIRD: Western, educated, individualist, rich, and democratic.
OK, and?
I think the major issue here isn't "People who live by faith can't have fulfilling lives", that's not an issue being raised here. At issue is the idea morality automatically comes from faith or even reasonably comes from faith. And there's little to suggest it does. Faiths that promote some form of code of morality have survived evolutionarily because there are people in every society who cannot behave morally without a "big stick", we call them psychopaths, and fear that God is going to strike you down for doing a bad thing is certainly a big stick. And moral societies generally last longer than immoral ones.
The problem is with morality being equated to religion or even believing that a religion's commandments are always about morality. Someone above suggested Claude should be trained upon the 15 *drops stone tablet* I mean 10 commandments. Here's a list of them:
1. You shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall make no idols
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy
5. Honor your father and your mother
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
10. You shall not covet.
How many of these are about morality, and how many are about protecting the religion itself? 1-4 are all about protecting the religion.
5 is... oddly specific. 6-9 we can reasonably say are reasonable coding of actual moral principles, even if arguably 9 seems to be a little too narrow in scope. 10 is about social survival, and oddly would be in opposition to the current economies of the Western World. It's certainly not a moral rule though.
(Now before any of you say "But insulting God is immoral", bear in mind that's a circular moral, it's only immoral because you consider the Bible to be morals. Also FWIW the principle Gods are good is a Judaeo-Christian thing, the Roman gods certainly weren't considered that. AND TO BE VERY CLEAR: the fact God doesn't like it will not be considered a definition of "immoral" here. The question is whether morality can be learned from religion, and that very question precludes the idea that morality is defined by it.)
Now the Bible covers a whole lot of things not in the 10 commandments too. And people treat them as declarations of morality. But they're, again, about survival. How is eating shellfish or pig meat immoral? It isn't. Those passages are in there because of self protection of the religion by trying to avoid followers getting food poisoning in the pre-refrigeration era.
What about homosexuality? What about sodomy (intentionally non-reproductive sex)? Rape is obviously immoral, as is sex with children, but homosexuality is an oddly specific to outlaw. Some interpretations of the Bible claim there's nothing there in the first place, that the passages that supposedly bolster it the Bible being homophobic are there because of misinterpreting rules against rape and sex with children. Certainly there's evidence the King James edition misinterpreted paragraphs to make them more homophobic.
But, taking it at face value, is the Bible claiming consensual adults-only sodomy is immoral, or is the Bible saying God doesn't like it? And if the latter, then is it possible that, again, it's a survival of the religion thing: that the writers of the Judaeo-christian texts wanted rules that ensured that followers would have plenty of offspring, or that Christianity survived (hence these rules being useful) because of the limits on non-reproductive sex?
The problem here is that the Bible introduces rules for living for multiple reasons. Not everything in the Bible can be interpreted as a rule to prevent psychopaths from doing bad things. Many are there just to prop up the religion itself.
For that reason, coupled with the fact that... I mean, some of the people who wear their Christianity on their sleeves are some of the most horrible people I've met (not all of them, I've met some lovely ones too)... I find the idea of using religion as a base for a code of morality deeply troubling.