Journal nizo's Journal: New Trek movie: so horrible it hurts 20
Oh it was soooooo horribbble. Effects were really good but the plot was awful. I'm not even talking about the reimagining portions (I actually liked the new transporter effect), and I even thought the casting was good (no small feat). But the planet sized plot holes, blargh.
Ok probably spoilers below:
Why didn't the antagonist try to, you know, undo what was driving him to colossal full blown insane clown posse kill everyone berzerkerness? He could easily have done so.
Spock throwing Kirk off the ship? Are you kidding me???
Starship impacting antagonist ship; this didn't completely destroy it???
There are plenty more, but the sooner I forget this hideous movie, the better.
Oddly enough, I wasn't bothered by any of yours (Score:2)
1. Antagonist was trying to undo the destruction of Romulus- by making sure the Vulcans couldn't interfere (ok, so he had the wrong cause, but heck, he's a mining ship captain, not a 4-dimensional space engineer).
2. In this universe, and it is a different universe than we're used to, Kirk is a hot-headed juvenile delinquent with delusions of grandeur from never knowing his father, so it makes sense that Spock wouldn't want him interfering with his command, especially after the embarrassment Kirk caused Spoc
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He time traveled the first time by accident. he wouldn't know how to get back to the future if he tried.
Points 3 and 4 after that don't matter (or matter as much), as they've basically rebooted the franchise with this alternate timeline idea that is the an offshoot of the plot of the movie. Kinda clever actually, We get to have Kirk et al. pretty much the same, but the shackles of canon have been removed, so that we don't
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He time traveled the first time by accident. he wouldn't know how to get back to the future if he tried.
Not quite my point. Since he was in the past, a good patriotic Romulan (and that might be the rub- not sure how patriotic a mining ship captain would be) would have taken the advantage, and gone running home to tell the Senate all about it, who could then, in the future avoid the problem to begin with. A bit of a paradox, and his crew would have to live through the extra years, but their knowle
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As a Romulan, he probably already knows of the Tal Shiar; Secret police aren't secret enough that their existence isn't generally feared. Would you feel inclined to go home, knowing that your hyperadvanced ship would be confiscated and that you would be disappeared? (Not that you ever existed in their records in the first place...)
(Amusingly, Federation technology got shoved forwards twice in the movie. Once when Scotty was handed his own transporter theory in person, the other when an advanced mining dri
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4. Journey to Babel now can't happen- no Amanda to mitigate Sarak's illnesses- which means within the next 15 years half the Federation is going to be taken over by the Orion Slave Syndicate.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Some amongst us like a different multiverse - and lots more green women! You presume they can't adapt ... but they can.
5. Kirk getting Captain of the Enterprise without graduating from Starfleet Academy. He can't be an officer without graduating! And his graduation is in doubt because he was on Academic Suspension!
That's just the big glaring plot holes I noticed.
I agree with the other poster. When people do heroic things they tend to just issue the graduation anyway. Happened in the US and other empires, totally believable.
I hear ya (Score:2)
"Sooo, this Nero guy shows up at just the right time to watch Spock fuck up saving Romulus, so he follows him through the wormhole in his mining ship (itself ten times larger and more powerful than any Starship the Federation can produce, wtf is up with that?). When he comes through the wormhole, he destroys Kirk's daddy's ship, then just hangs around for 25 years because Spock won't show up til th
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(spoliers, spoilers, spoilers)
Nero's ship was a mining ship, which explains its size. (If you've ever watched the Discovery channel, you can appreciate the scale of equipment produced for purposes of bulk retrieval and processing of ore.) Its internal design appeared completely inappropriate for mining, though I suppose that might be explained by the fact that they would have spent 25 years with not much better to do than repurpose the ship.
I did have an initial complaint about its weapons; They seemed wea
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Well, the ages are all out of whack too. I guess if I had been writing the story, I would have made there be a good reason why we are seeing very young (Chekov is much younger than the others by far) and much older (Bones; seriously, he is way older than the rest of them) being brought together into Starfleet training at the same time.
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They explained it very neatly; Boy genius and divorce. (Hence the line "The wife took the planet in the divorce, the only thing I have left are my bones.")
And McCoy has always been a lot older than the rest of the core bridge crew. Or at least looked it; DeForest Kelley never did look like father time had been kind to him...
Ambivalent. (Score:2)
I'm tossed up about the movie. As you said, the casting was really good. However, it also felt like they tried to make every character more "intense" or "edgier" (with the exception of Mr. Scott, who was completely downgraded to "comical"). Yes, they're supposed to be younger, but some of it just didn't feel right to me. Atop of this, I didn't have any feeling of how big and grand space is -- it was completely missing. Need to go from Earth to Vulcan? Blip -- you're there. Vulcan to Delta Vega (which
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In the end, the movie left me feeling happy to see some Star Trek again, and the notion of a new beginning, but it also left me feeling empty.
That's a perfect summary of how I felt.
There were other strange plot holes as well: For example, Spock Prime (as they call him) would certainly still have been aware of how to do time travel -- after all, he did it more than once (in IV, and also in TOS in the episode Assignment: Earth [treknation.com]). So why didn't he just pop back in time to prevent Vulcan, or for that mat
All my female friends and semi-trek loved it (Score:1)
Seriously.
Of my high school classmates, half have seen it TWICE they loved it that much.
I was at the preview weeks before it opened and most of us there were Trek before it was popular - and we LOVED it.
As to reimagining - it was the only way to restart the series in a good way, and make it "modern" enough to gain new viewers.
My only problem, and it's a small one, was the rate of phaser and torpedo fire in the final attack - the phasers and torpedos can't cycle that fast, so it was a bit much, but I'm willi
I liked it;-) (Score:2)
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Thanks for reminding me, something I wanted to post earlier: A continuing series of articles examining Canon and its deleterious effect on Star Trek. Very interesting read.
Part 1 [postmodernbarney.com]
Part 2 [postmodernbarney.com]
Part 3 [postmodernbarney.com]
I liked it, too. (Score:2)
And I signed one of the petitions to keep TOS on the air, back in the sixties. :-)
My big quibble is from the end. If the Romulan mining ship is collapsed into a black hole, the event horizon would be microscopic. It will have the same gravitational effects as the ship itself, at anything over a very short distance. The biggest danger to the Enterprise would be a pinhole from running into it. If it somehow managed to get within the confines of the Enterprise, at rest relative to it, then it might cause s
Romulans triumphant (Score:2)
The planet Vulcan having been destroyed, what Vulcans are left alive? Everyone who escaped (very few) and everyone who was off-planet during the attack. This would most likely be the diplomatic corps.
That's right. The remaining 10,000 Vulcans are overwhelmingly...
politicians.
Without the Vulcan Science Academy to advance the Federation's science and technology base (and therefore its economy), economic collapse will be eminent. Having a bunch of Vulcan politicians around will just make things worse. Unless t
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"a trigger happy sybarite let loose on the galaxy"
Wonderful!
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I fail to see how:
a) this is any different than TOS, and
b) how this is bad thing
Time Travel (Score:2)
They built the explanation for every plot inconsistency and hole right into the plot itself. The entire universe was altered by the time travel, so nothing has to exist the way you think it should. Brilliant, in my opinion. ;^)
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Actually that part doesn't bother me so much; it's the whole "logic doesn't apply in the new universe" that I'm not crazy about :-|