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Comment Basic Math time (Score 1) 407

There are over 318 Million Americans. A "Basic Income" of 10,000/year would not be enough for anyone to live on and would cost 3.2 Trillion dollars. Spending 10 Trillion dollars would still have people in Poverty, and far exceeds our current GDP.

BI does not fix or modify any of the current problems. Corruption, waste, and fraud will still be a big problem. The only difference is that now everyone can play the game.

Contrary to what the story tellers are claiming, things are not very good in the overwhelming majority of Socialist countries. See the unemployment rates all across Europe. See the debt levels across the same. This is why the UK wanted out of the European Union, it's not doing very well for the majority of the people in it, it works for the bankers and politicians.

Comment WTF? (Score 1) 407

Are you attempting to re-write history or just ignoring it? Have any idea how many East Germans starved to death under Russian control? How much food did the US and West Germans drop into East Germany? How many people were killed trying to escape that great and free country? Do you know how many WWII bombed out buildings were still in East Germany at the time of Unification? It was a horrible mess, go read about it if you don't know anyone from there (I have family in Germany)

Communism _is_ the problem, read the frigging book, understand the basic planks to achieve and maintain it.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels..

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. * Read Marx and you will see this is for indoctrination and propaganda, not for an educated society *

Of course Communism is the problem. Communism would work if humans were perfect altruistic beings. We are not.

Comment Re: Question (Score 1) 407

East germany never had a particular low standard of living.

North Korea is a millitary dictatorship.

And your remark about China: back way off on the commie central planning

You see? It is not communism, that is the problem, but the hybris lies in the men or commitees who think they can plan a nations economy 5 years ahead in every detail ... which basically means: your argument has nothing to do with UBI, or communism.

You don't know anything about communism to make that claim, sorry. Read the planks, and then look at the Governments. China claims it's not communist but sure as hell follows all the planks of communism. Hell, the DPRK calls itself a Republic, does that mean they are? I really hope that the concept of an ideology is completely lost on you.

Comment Prove it! (Score 1) 407

Show me the working Utopia. See China, Russia, most countries in South America, most countries in Europe who have gone full Socialist, see Canada. There are various extremes of brutality and freedom, but all of the examples you find have a rapidly diminishing standard of Freedom if one ever existed (China/Russia) to begin with.

Don't like modern examples, go through history. Stories and attempts at Utopia date back to our earliest written history. Socrates can tell you all about it and why it fails. If given a choice between sitting on your ass and getting paid and working and getting paid, the _majority_ will sit on their ass.

Comment Wrong Commie! (Score -1, Troll) 407

I really hate to call names, but this garbage really needs to stop getting spread around. If you want communism get the fuck out of the US and move to China or Russia! Be very happy in your Utopia, and leave us Free people alone!

Look, I get that the drive by idiot is going to think "Oh cool, everyone gets free money." because it sounds so damn easy. Reality is kept far away from those people however, because when you start to look at it the only possible way to have Utopia is to make everyone a slave. READ THE GODDAMN STORIES (there are several and all end up the same)!.

1. Basic income - Requires a uniform standard of living across the board. You get a bed, not a water bed. You get a house, which must not be special because it has to cost exactly the same as every other house. You can't "save" for that new gaming system, because your standard of living would be higher than your neighbors. What's that? Kiss the right ass and you can have it? Got it, so corruption still works in an enslaved society but freedom and justice won't. You must be smart enough to realize that humans are still running things, though probably not bright enough to understand that an estimated 20% are narcissistic sociopaths to some degree. We have several very large real world examples you can go live in today, or study.

2. Basic income - Requires a uniform Cost of living across the board. Detroit area market is about 30K for a 2,000 square foot house. Dallas Texas is about 300K for a 2,000 square foot house. But we have to be uniform so Houses in Detroit now cost 100K and Dallas cost 100K, you can't have a different cost of living if you are giving a flat rate of cash to everyone in lieu of other social welfare programs. If you invested in Dallas, or you can't afford a house in Detroit, fuck right off because you can't have a different standard of living. (For the feeble minded, an attempt to have variable rates for variable locations will result in cheating immediately. Once again, there are several real world examples for you to study or go live in.)

3. Uniform cost and standard of living require _ALL_ jobs to pay the same wage regardless of any skills, education/training, or experience in the task. A Doctor can't make more than a janitor, because his standard of living would be higher and his educational investment would require more. That is totally unfair, and can't be allowed.

Water heads spreading Basic Income mythology and trying to sell communism are free to leave my country. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, and don't come crying back when you find that Utopia in Russia and China don't exist. Those are your attempts at Utopia to study.

Comment Are you that gullible? (Score 0) 24

Huawei is not part of the Chinese Government? The facade of company names fronting Chinese programs makes them match Western principles of liberty and business?

Reality check time: Chines Companies enrich the Chinese Government, not the populace. People not in Government who make loads of money are at constant and _real_ threat of arrest and confiscation of wealth. Business people are regularly executed in China, and Government corruption is rampant. Proven by the wrong players also being arrested and executed for "corruption".

The world outside of your house does not match the world inside your house. You have to get out and look around prior to attempting to spread opinions based in ignorance. FWIW, China is no the only country with this same problem. Western societies are not immune to corruption. However, a totalitarian Government ensures that the changes never favor the populace.

Comment Um (Score 3, Insightful) 24

Why is China allowed to sue anyone for patent infringement anywhere except in China?

In the last 40 years how much have they stolen? Is anything they could possibly patent today free of that stolen information and property?

OTOH, Does Samsung think they will collect anything at all from China? Maybe the point is simply defamation, which is fine in my opinion.

For the apologist, I fully understand the concept of forgiveness. That concept requires something called repentance. If the latter does not happen then the former should not happen. China can today claim altruism, but they have never repented so you are a fool to believe it.

Comment Re:I'm disturbed... (Score 1) 197

Saying that all warrants are invalid and under no circumstances should be honored removes one of the key tenets of our judicial system.

Indeed. That's probably why no one is making that argument.

If the government was practicing mass surveillance on everyone's electronic communications then you would think at least some of the more violent crimes would not be happening.

How would you know about the violent crimes that are not happening? Maybe they're already not happening!

It's not the government fucking things up it is the governed masses. I guess it is just easier to blame the government for all your ills instead of taking responsibility for your own choices and behavior.

Yeah, those governed masses just don't know how to act or what's good for them! What they need is a strong authority to keep them on the right path.

Sorry, how have my choices and behavior led to the government wanting unconstitutional access to my private communications? How have my choices and behavior led to their abusing the powers they have arrogated to themselves? They haven't.

Comment Re: That would be unenforceable (Score 1) 197

How hilarious. Market value? Somehow I don't think the NSA cares that their monitoring reduces market value.

Perhaps not. But the powerful people who fund the campaigns of the people who give orders to the NSA do care about market value. Additionally, the US does not control the world, try as they might, and its laws are not applicable outside the country. So international actors may fill the gap.

Comment Re: Canadians (Score 1) 197

No... you obviously do not understand socialism. What political ideology is responsible for the death and enslavement of over 160,000,000 people (conservatively)? Socialism. Socialism, according to the leaders of it, always ends in communism. Hitler. Mao. Stalin. Go read an actual book for some real information. Stop getting your ideas from television.

I'm wondering what books you've been reading.

Comment Greater Good (Score 1) 197

"We are indeed in a dark place when companies put their reputations above the greater good."

If it were truly for the greater good, perhaps they wouldn't be risking their reputations. The thing is, the authorities have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. They define "bad guys" as not only those who wish to harm people, but also those they deem to be threats to the System or the status quo. So while we can all agree that we want to know what's on the phone of a mass murderer, we should be more circumspect about the data belonging to Occupy protesters or the ACLU. Unfortunately, the authorities generally are not. Saying that helping them in all cases, or as a matter of policy, is a matter of the greater good is not a cut and dry as he seems to think.

Comment Wrong (Score 2) 197

If any warrant can be trumped up, the logical end point is that you don't believe in warrants to begin with.

No, absolutely not. The logical endpoint is that a warrant is a tool that can be used for either good or evil. All tools should be evaluated on a case by case basis. If your logic was true, it would mean nobody could own a screwdriver or a frying pan. Those tools have been used as a murder devices, so must always be a murder device.

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