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Comment Re:Go away, you're not 21 (Score 1) 178

Adults who do have access and listen to music. Good grief! Do you think I learned about Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Yes, The Doobie Brothers, The Who, Chicago, and literally hundreds of other bands because "Advertising" and "Marketing"? Hell no, I learned to hate Sunny and Cher because of it but not who good musicians were.

Comment Re:False (Score 1) 178

I should have added that you are making a false dichotomy. That a band has some marketing and advertising does not mean that those things are the reason for success. DT in particular had disputes with their original label and moved to Roadrunner because of it's independence. They were made famous because of bootlegs at sell out shows much more than a marketing campaign.

Comment False (Score 1) 178

I have never found a favorite band by marketing. I learned about bands through word of mouth and going to concerts, clubs, and bars. Today, I know people who have similar music taste and that's how I expand my knowledge.

While your statement may hold true for what people call Pop music (Swift, Gaga, Spears, etc..) I don't know anyone who listens to or likes that stuff.

The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and countless others were popular underground, like early Metallica and Megadeath. "Pop" came to them after they were already popular, and the labeling and change in music due to Pop influence drove large numbers of their followers away. My all time favorite Dream Theater has had virtually no marketing yet has remained successful for 30 years. I was not introduced to newer acts like Wolf Alice by marketing, it was someone saying "hey, this band sounds great".

Marketing is for Pop, and it has both pros and cons.

Comment Re:Mostly yes (Score 1) 71

Selling CDs has become a generic term for purchasing an album from a digital provider, as well as physical medium. Vinyl is also included in that, which would sell much less than a CD in physical form. I happen to do both, depending on the circumstances. I admit that it's rare for people to purchase physical media, but the numbers for sales of digital+physical are still used to calculate sales volumes. A band going "gold" (as corrected by AC below) requires selling 500,000 copies of a complete record in _any_ format, digital or physical. A band has never made much money from that process, they make money by performing.

Comment Mostly yes (Score 1) 71

Then again, I don't see this as a "new" thing. Music artists have generally done very poor from record sales, while ad agencies and music execs who own studios do quite well. Musicians tend to make their money from performances, not from record sales. Records unfortunately tend to do much better in sales after tragedy.

Consider that the average record, 60 minutes or so, costs about $10.00US. Bands rarely go "gold", which would mean$10million in record sales. Deduct from that the cost of the studio, material, mastering, editing and engineering, art work, distribution costs, and there is not much left.

Compare that to a Small/Mid sized band selling 2500 seats to a concert at around 70.00 a seat. That's $175,000, and add in concessions, and you are at $200K. Take away venue costs and security, and you have an easy 100K for the band, techs, drivers, etc..

A good few months of touring can make a band very wealthy, but a record does not make much. You need the records to remain relevant and have recognition, but you don't make them so much for the cash.

Comment The pedulum swing, and this is what lies bring (Score 0, Flamebait) 768

The pendulum was extremely far left for a very long time. People have to expect the same thing to occur in the opposite direction. Combine that fact with the fact that media in the US has been manipulating people for decades, so now that people see a glimpse of a different truth more questions should be expected.

Let us also be honest on what the Pizzagate starter as. It was due to some very cryptic emails from the Podesta dumps, not some wacko on Twitter. Again, we have a Federal Government and MSM not doing their respective jobs. People, like it or not, feel obligated to step in where our Government is failing.

This should all be expected, and the answer is not "ban speech" but FIX DISHONESTY IN GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA!

Comment Re:Too much to express here, but (Score 1) 468

Because we have seen socialism work in so many other countries around the world? Sorry, but that is simply bullocks. Do you honestly believe that if the Chinese citizens could own guns that they would not overthrow the oppressive regime in charge?

The only working example of Socialism worked until immigration was allowed, and now that example is no longer true either.

Comment This! (Score 1) 468

GP states that Milton Friedman believed in UBI, but that is not true. Friedman said that it may work as an alternative to Welfare under certain conditions. For example: Friedman believed in Welfare with an incentive to get off Welfare, which we have never had in the US. He also stated that Welfare was doomed to fail without tight immigration control, because it incentivized the least productive people immigrating and dis-incentivized productive people. Why come here to work if you pay 50% in Taxes, yet if you don't work you get Food, Housing, Transportation, and clothing from the State?

UBI is a Utopian fantasy, not a reality. Facts are dismissed when debating people propagating this fairy tale.

Comment Too much to express here, but (Score 0) 468

Humans want to succeed and have a successful lineage, they want to build things, they want to tinker with things, they want to learn things, and they want to do so without oppression. This is an instinctual set of principles which led to Humans becoming the top of the Food chain. This is not limited to today, but a historical normal. No opportunity for self and family advancements leads to unrest and revolt. Just like all other Utopian dreams, the dream of the lazy human doing nothing while robots do all the work will not succeed.

How will it work if you have 90% unemployment? Simple, it won't be that way for long. You will have massive unrest, and all of the horrors that would entail.

I'm not going to rehash the Nobel Prize winning economist I mentioned in my first post. Read them, study them, and learn from them. "Capitalism and Freedom" is a must read for anyone who wishes to discuss economic theory.

Comment How about taking the Herring away (Score 0, Offtopic) 331

TFA makes a bold assumption, that the reason for all of the political turmoil in the world is at least somehow related to climate change. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and yet they provide none. Start with a false assumption, end with a false conclusion. The Wars in the Middle East were not started because "Climate Change", they were started over "IDEOLOGY". Those wars continue over IDEOLOGY, not bad weather or land due to climate change.

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