What on Earth are you talking about? Nobody is trying to make other countries poor and dangerous. People come to the US from these countries because even jobs that are tough and underpaid by US standards are vastly better than what is available at home. Creating a formal system just eliminates the worst aspects of it: the lawlessness, the sneaking across the border in often dangerous conditions (swimming across rivers, traveling through deserts), "coyotes" smuggling people in terrible conditions, and so forth. The current US system is the dumbest way you could possibly handle it: people wanting to work, US employers wanting them, the US economy benefitting from it... but still making it illegal, chaotic, dangerous, and unregulated for those involved.

If you pay attention to who's pushing basic income it's a handful of extremely wealthy people with connections to billionaires. The goal of basic income is to replace all other forms of civilization and society with a blank check so that you can blame people when they are completely crushed by the systems in place. Monopolies alone make basic income pointless since they will just suck up the money.

American farmers are extremely well off. They are no small farms left. If you see something that looks like a small farm odds are it's just somebody's tax Dodge. We had decades of running small farmers out of business that process is basically over. The people who are left love Trump as long as he cuts them those checks you're talking about. Those big farmers want cheap labor or better yet slave labor and they want zero environmental regulations and Trump will give them both of those things.

As for direct health insurance payments the health insurance industry sucks up half a trillion dollars a year and private equity is buying up all the hospitals and doctors offices. You can't just cut people checks in it that environment just like you can't just cut basic income checks when you have monopolies.

Everything you're suggesting is bullshit put forward either to benefit Rich assholes or by Rich assholes who want to make you think there's an easy patch or fix to keep the system going so you don't have to think about any actual changes.

It's not your fault that's just how our media works but it's not a solution it's a scam

It's real annoyed when idiots pull in front of him because it takes him 3 football fields to come to a stop.

The economy is like that. Capitalism is like that. It's a big fucking thing that takes a long time to come to a stop. And you just pulled out in front of it. And your little Geo Metro...

Now my buddy is smart and he knows how to drive around idiots. But we didn't put smart people that the wheel in this economy we put the dumbest motherfuckers we could find for the dumbest motherfucker reasons we could come up with.

So when the economy needs to stop and can't because you're dumb ass pulled out in front of it it's going to go right through you.

Unfortunately this is where the analogy breaks down because it's not just your little car being splattered you're taking all of us with it

No country can afford to take in unlimited refugees. At some point, the answer becomes another question. "How to we raise the standard of living for people in that country because we can not afford to take any more of them here?"

LK

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Look at who the loudest ones are to decry pornography. Men.

Guess who are the largest purveyors of OnlyFans and pornography.

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If you don't want OnlyFans or pornography around, don't use it. That is the only way to hurt the industries. Don't hand over your money. Now guess what is a surefire way to not go into debt when gambling.

But nope, men will complain (about everything) how this or that is bad or unhealthy or whatever, and yet they go out and hand over their money. If they'd stop being weak none of this would be an issue.

So you have so many people going into gig wars to try and keep a roof over their heads that all the incentives are rapidly going away not just electric car incentives.

The best part is that squeezing the bottom like this will inevitably increase crime and then the increase in crime will get used for more of the kind of economic policies that cause the squeeze and so on so on so forth.

Capitalism is falling apart and socialism isn't an option. I don't know what we do.

"the proper solution is obviously to have a formal, controlled, actually viable work visa system for economic migrants"

Yes, we should definitely formalize and legalize our tampering with other countries to produce cheap labor we can abuse.

Wait, what?

And one that you need to live. So it's no surprise people are trying to constrain competition for that limited resource.

Stopping immigration especially in countries where birth rates are below sustainability will create a permanent recession like Japan has. I don't think that's really up for debate we've seen it play out in Japan to the extreme and in South Korea to a lesser extent.

But the problem is if you do not have enough places in society for the people who are already here and can vote they are going to do terrible terrible things when they are not just left out in the cold but facing homelessness and starvation.

We could of course try to spread the wealth around but after a hundred years of Cold war era propaganda that's just not on the table and I refuse to pretend that it is anymore.

Capitalism is breaking down and socialism isn't on the table but we do not have a third option. The best you can do is buy time and if you're going to do that you need to constrain immigration. Even if your economy takes a hit even if people are doing worse off they at least have a place in society. They are at least needed enough that we can justify giving them food and enough shelter that they are informing roving bands of bandits

The reason this is years long is not just the number but our immigration courts have been vastly understaffed and overloaded for years and years now,

Which is why his lardship keeps firing immigration judges.

Better versions of Rule 34 will now be in play.

That's easy. They'll resort to picking random people and have them report to a disintegration chamber. They already have self-euthanasia. This would merely hasten the process.

Billionaires control 90% of the media in america. No joke and no exaggeration. I don't get to define the terms. They have control of the media they get to define everything.

But then natural selection might have caused some or all of the 1 to 3 offspring to die, thereby not have their own offspring to carrying on the defect.

Except "everything you can screen for" in 2005 is much more limited than 2025, which itself is much more limited than in 2045. The point is that you're concentrating a potential genetic defect and applying it to hundreds or thousands of offspring, rather than 1 or 3, as is most typical.

Also, point of note: it's unlikely you'd actually grow plants and humans in interconnected habitats anyway. You might pump some gases from one to the next, but: agriculture takes up lots of area / volume. If you're talking Mars rather than Venus, then you're talking large pressure vessels, which is a lot of mass, proportional to the pressure differential. Which is expensive. But plants tolerate living at much lower pressures than humans (and there's potential to engineer / breed them to tolerate even lower - the main problems are that they mistake low pressure for drought, and that's a response we can manipulate). So it makes much more sense to grow them in large, low-pressure structures with a mostly-CO2 / some O2 / no N2 atmosphere, rather than at human-comfortable pressure levels.

That said, you don't want human workers having to work in pressure suits, so ideally you'd use a sliding tray system (we use them on Earth to save space in greenhouses) or similar, except that you'd move the plants through an airlock into a human-comfortable area for any non-mechanized work. Obviously, mechanized systems can operate at any pressure level, and also obviously, some work would still need to be done in pressure suits every now and again (maintenance, cleaning, etc).

None of this applies to a floating Venus habitat, where in your typical Landis design your crew - and potentially agriculture - are just living in your lifting envelope, at normal pressures. The envelope is massive, so you have no shortage of space for agriculture, all well-illuminated from all angles if the envelope is transparent. The challenges there are different - how to support them, humidity management, water supply, falling debris, etc.