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Comment Re:Good luck with that (Score 1) 94

Same thing. A distinction without much difference. This is the same as someone claiming that Meta isn't just some rebranding of Facebook.

Facebook doesn't have a separate C-suite (CEO, CFO, etc.) from its parent company. Waymo does. So while Waymo is considered part of Alphabet because it is a majority shareholder, you're kidding yourself if you think it is at all like Meta and Facebook. There may not be a hard line between them, but there's a definite line.

Comment Re:Good luck with that (Score 1) 94

There's an edge case here or an edge case there where something didn't work as expected.

Construction zones and first responders are not an edge case, they are a well-known case. Also, stopping for school busses.

Tell me you don't know how model training works without telling me you don't know how model training works.

Autonomous vehicles (probably not including Tesla) already handle first responders correctly probably 99.99% of the time. They already handle school buses correctly probably 99.99% of the time. So what remains are, by definition, edge cases that for whatever reason require additional handling beyond the basic "Is this an emergency vehicle/school bus? If so, pull over and stop" rule.

For example, one edge case is figuring out how to clear a path for an emergency vehicle when there is no obvious place to pull over because of other cars stopped nearby. Sometimes the correct answer is to actually drive in the direction the emergency vehicle is going until you find a spot to pull over and get out of its way. This isn't intuitively obvious, and a lot of human drivers will struggle with it as well.

For another example, at least one case of Waymo vehicles illegally passing a school bus was caused by a remote operator not noticing that the vehicle had flagged the presence of a school bus and telling the car to proceed anyway. Sometimes, having a human in the loop actually ends up making things worse. :-)

what AV companies will do to prevent bad interactions with emergency vehicles will always be "exactly what we're already doing"

If you turn your brain on, you can think of other solutions. Something like, "have a safety driver."

At that point, what's the point of them being autonomous? At some point, you have to cut them loose and see what mistakes they make, because it is precisely through detecting those mistakes that you figure out what edge cases remain inadequately handled in the model. And understanding how the vehicle attempts to extricate itself from problem situations is critically important in figuring out what additional training needs to be added to prevent similar occurrences in the future.

So basically, your approach likely leads to a future where the models never learn to handle emergency vehicles, because safety drivers keep having to intervene before they can gather adequate data. That approach just doesn't work.

Comment Re:Good luck with that (Score 1) 94

to get to that point you have to pass exams and obtain a driver's license.

I don't recall the actual driving part of the driver test having a part where you drive onto a street that's barely wide enough for one vehicle to pass, let out a passenger, and then have an ambulance suddenly approach from the other direction while you're trying to turn around.

To get to the point of having a license, you have to answer a written question that proves you know to yield to emergency vehicles, prove that you can stay in lanes, stop for stop signs and maybe pedestrians, handle traffic lights correctly, and possibly parallel park, depending on where you took the exam. Autonomous vehicles could do those things reliably 15+ years ago.

In other words, you're greatly overestimating the competence of the average human driver.

Comment Re:Always the wrong answer (Score 2) 81

Define "working society". Are you including the people who shoplift/steal items and make their living selling them at popup flea markets?

Boosters are risking their freedom and even their lives. If it was easier for them to find work then they'd do legitimate work instead of boosting. Selling at flea markets is a job itself, so they're clearly willing to work.

Comment Re: The difference between blue collar and white c (Score 1) 48

haha good one, the boys down at the maga rally will get a real kick out of it as you stroke eachother off

You have it exactly right. I can see why you didn't post with an identity, you'd get punished by the reich wingers. Wage theft exceeds all other theft combined but maggots are still crying about shoplifters

Comment Re:Solar fricken roadways all over again (Score 1) 95

The cost ends up being similar assuming mass production of satellites and realistic future launch costs, and you can "just do it" rather than have to waste years fighting through bureaucracy to build them on Earth.

Just as regulation pushed chip manufacturing out of the US, it's now pushing "AI" data centres out. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, but it's clearly a thing.

Comment Re:Being too wealthy really is sociopathic (Score 1) 174

No but I uh understand the human English language and you mean to imply that is what I am suggesting

You might want to study the English language a bit more. Maybe some history too. The revolutionary US is often held up as an attempt to build a classless society, in contrast to Europe's aristocracy. That's not entirely accurate, the US founders had a bunch of different ideas about classism, and, uh, there's slavery of course, but people like John Adams purposely tried to structure the new government to prevent the class tyranny that the old aristocratic systems suffered from.

TLDR: I was agreeing with you.

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