ellem's Journal: Politics is frustrating if you don't pick a side....

I haven't. Probably never will pick a side. They both suck. This year I picked a side and won... yay. Boo.

ellem believes:

1) Abortion should be legal. By State. Get it out of the US Constitution.

2) Gay Marriage should be legal. By State.

3) Any child pornography. Not just naked children. Naked children involved in sex yadda yadda should be illegal by Federal Law. Kill, KILL perpetrators of child pronography. Use the most painful methods of rehabilitation for the purveyors of child pornography the first time KILL them the second time. Seriously. Don't fuck around with these clowns. If you can't fix them once Kill them.

4) Clearly I believe in the Death Penalty.

5) I don't trust lawyers and I don't trust the ACLU.

6) Guns need to be registered. You probably don't need an AK47 but if you want it get it. If yours is used in a crime you do the EXACT SAME TIME as the criminal.

7) Violent criminals do not need to be rehabilitated. Put them in jail for a very long time. If you walk into a store with a gun and kill someone -- you die. If you kill a cop while perping a crime -- you die.

8) Drug laws suck. Don't do drugs. It's easy. And cheap. Think Marijuana should be legal? Start electing people who think so too.

9) Drive drunk and kill someone with your car -- you die. Drive drunk and get caught. You go to jail and you go through the most painful rehabilitation they can muster. I like to drink. A lot. It takes about 15 beers to make me drunk. I drink in places I don't have to drive. It's easy.

10) If you abuse a Social Service you got to jail. If you do it again you're on your own and you lose your kids. Thank you, come again.

11) Military Service should be compulsory. Don't like killing people you get to go to the Peace Corps. Peace Corps full? You get a non combatant role, maybe learn a trade. Non combatant roles all taken up? You get to help out in America. Build a road, teach people to read, yadda yadda. Most people will take a gun trust me.

12) Taxes are a gift to the Government. You get 20% period. You make less than 25,000/yr you pay 10%. There are no loop holes. You get no money back. Have 87 kids, that's great give me my 20%. You gave 40B to charity, cool, now gimmie 20%.

13) You own a business? How many people do you employ? 0-10, 10-50, 50-100, 100-250... some egghead can do the math. Every single job you outsource subtracts 5 employees. You go into negative numbers - oh man you are going to pay a whole fuck load in taxes. CPAs are abolished.

14) Speaking of abolished:

The FCC
Department of Education
Department of Agriculture
Department of Tea
Department of Departments
CIA, SS, FBI, et al all become one big happy family. Period.
There are many more. You want to see the Government downsized? I'll do it and leave the USMil intact. Overwhelming force makes people nervous. Good.

15) You are responsible for you and yours. Your kid causing trouble in school. YOU have a problem. Extrapolate amongst yourselves.

16) There's more but I am hungry...

17) If you are a washed up whore who never had any singing talent to begin with you are forbidden from covering "Imagine" you don't really get it anyway.

Lots of similar positions

[the_mad_poster]

You and I.

I think you take my style of presenting my position a little too much to heart....

#3: I do not understand your position on this, really. Naked children !(sexual). Some fat little kid in a tub is just a fat little kid in a tub IMHO.

Obviously, sex is a huge responsibility, and "children" should be protected from being exploited by it in some manner. However, I'm not keen on the arbitrary manner it's handled now. I know people who aren't responsible enough to handle themselves at 18, but I know pe

Re:Lots of similar positions

[ellem]

Well in #3 I am saying that a Naked Child is NOT child pornography. But past that... death.

and number #13 is pretty clear you need to hire Americans. That form of Capitalism worked really well for a long time then people got overly greedy. You can make money hiring Americans and building things in America. Gibson, Deering, Samuel Adams, whoever made this cup... this is just crap on my desk (a picnic table made in Korea...)

Re:Lots of similar positions

[Sylver Dragon]

I think this could be modified a bit to be more capitalistic and still get to the heart of the matter.
#13 if you outsource, directly or indirectly you, or your agent must follow all US standards for conditions, pay, etc. If you violate this, your business license is revoked.

Re:Lots of similar positions

[elmegil]

Too many false positives. One innocent man is worth more than all the guilty men on earth, IMHO.

And this is the ONLY reason I am not in favor of the death penalty. Fix the false positives problem, and I'm on the ellem ticket all the way, baby.

Number 6

[ryanr]

If yours is used in a crime you do the EXACT SAME TIME as the criminal.

Are you high?

So, if I steal your car and kill someone driving drunk, you should be charged with DWI and involuntary manslaughter?

Re:Number 6

[ellem]

No one expects you to lock up your car anymore than you do.

I supppose my real intent is if your kid shows up to school with an AK47 and wastes the class it's your fault.

But If you can't properly lock up your guns and they are stolen and used in a crime. You do the time too.

Re:Number 6

[capoccia]

isn't negligence already prosecuted? maybe not to the same extent as the perpetrator, but gross neglegence should be about like being an accessory.

most serious gun owners are well aware of the problems that can arise when guns are stolen and take reasonable steps to prevent this.

a person who takes reasonable precautions against theft, but still has his gun stolen should be given a pass as long as he reported the theft promptly.

Re:Number 6

[the_mad_poster]

You can only hold someone liable for not taking reasonable precautions. If someone wants access to a locked gun cabinet badly enough, they'll get it. Your best intentions can't stand up to an acetylene torch or a bolt cutter in the hands of a determined attacker.

Re:Number 6

[ellem]

fine, you're my minister of Law Changes That ellem hasn't thought out all the way trough

Re:Number 6

[FortKnox]

Sounds like a really big job... hope you pay him well ;-)

Re:Number 6

[ellem]

Pay? Oh, right, Capitalism... yeah... sure...

(psst... send the Storm Troopers to FortKnox... no not that FortKnox... no I don't... just start killing people randomly... no not me... no not you... Oh gimmie the gun...)

Yeah I have to start paying people...

Re:My Replies....

[the_mad_poster]

I think a better proposal though is a national sales tax.
You want a national luxury tax, I believe. For example, in your situation, a struggling farmer who needed a new tractor would be hit with a very heavy tax to purchase something they need.

That's the problem with a generalized national sales tax replacing an income tax. It heavily penalizes poor people because they have to spend a much, much larger percentage of their income just to survive. Staple allowances address that to some extent, but it only r

You run the risk...

[ellem]

Of having rich people simply stop spending their money here, or making their money here.

You cannot leverage the world on the rich. Their job is being rich not saving the world.

Everyone pays the same percent. It's the only way.

Yes. Making 25,000 and paying 20% hurts more than paying 20% at 2.5 Million. That's incentive to MAKE MORE MONEY.

Re:You run the risk...

[the_mad_poster]

That's incentive to MAKE MORE MONEY.

That's great, and if there were a way to do that, you'd be right on. As reality stands, however, the tiny majority at the top of the economic food chain control the vast majority of wealth, and nearly as much of the money, and the problem just keeps getting worse. It's not like there's an unlimited supply of money. The fed can only make so much without throwing the economy off. If there's no money to make, the simply fact is that no matter what you do or how hard you wo

#18

[Triumph The Insult C]

People who have lived in California at all during the last 15 years are not allowed to live in Arizona. Housing costs are absurd here

Maybe we should keep the FCC tho ... put Stern at the helm. Crazy Alice could be the enforcer (she was hilarious today). Wack Packers would form the rest of the board.

If there are only 2 sides, yes

[btlzu2]

But a lot of your stances are VERY Libertarian [lp.org]. So, you may have a "side". I agree with a lot of your outlook FWIW! ;)

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Red Warrior]

I was thinking the exact same thing, then I got to your post. So...ME TOO! :-)

That said, I disagree with a number of his actual planks as stated - especially the compulsory military/public service bit and the firearms registration bit.

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Triumph The Insult C]

i think it's pretty scary how much two unconnected people can think so much alike. he and i are dead on the same on everything (except for some minor things ... eg, i want abortion rights protected federally so some pentecostal freaks can't outlaw it somewhere)

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[ellem]

is it time for the ellemoraticans?? (Sounds like a an Irish Jig band...)

ps--was sort of a Libertarian once then they went all Marijuana crazy and the whole platform was legalize drugs... feh.

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Red Warrior]

That's why the small "l". Unfortunately, they are still at the stage (as a party) where the nutters seem to get a disporportionate share of the attention. Personally, I'm fine with drug legalization[1] but it is hardly the sort of "one issue" to focus on. Of course, I differ from the party on states using force on the international stage (as you might imagine...). I'm hoping that they really settle down on the core message of individual liberty and self-responsibility. Of course, the REALLY BIG problem is p

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[the_mad_poster]

And no, I am NOT interested in paying for your rehab. .... oh how I could hand you your ass on a plate right now, and oh how wrong it would be to do so....

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[the_mad_poster]

Nice "plain old text" there Commander Tacopants.... I see that the newline character is just a suggestion in ASCII now.....

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Red Warrior]

It appears that I inadvertently posted anonymously.

I am RW, and I approved the above post.

I don't really need the plate.

[Red Warrior]

But if you could hurry up with that whole ass handing thing?

I gotta take a dump. Or did you mean "wrong to do so" in an "I can't" sorta way? Yes, that was rhetorical.

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Triumph The Insult C]

i don't see why drugs need to be illegal

if someone wants to smoke weed, that's fine with me

if someone wants to become a crackhead, that too is fine with me

now, if and when someone say, breaks into someone else's home to steal jewelry to pay for their drug habit, then i have a problem with that person. until then, it's their body, their money, let them do as they please

Re:If there are only 2 sides, yes

[Red Warrior]

You should do it - the ellemoraticans. I can see the press conference now:

Press Weenie: "How would you handle the budget deficit?"
Ellem: "It's ellementary...."

My thoughts

[Abm0raz]

1) Agree
2) Agree
3) Agree
4) Agree
5) Agree. I always felt that lawyers that take a case for money (i.e. "if you can't afford one, one will be provided to you by the state."), that they should share in the fate of their client, win or lose. A lawyer finds out his client is guilty, yet still tries to get him off, then he can spend 10-20 in jail, too. (it's not perfect, could use some work, but that's the jist)
6) pseudo-agree. Guns have to be properly restrained (gun cabinets, locked desks, locked house doors

AUD$0.02

[bollocks]

1)Partially agree. Opposed to it myself, but I can see the harm caused by an outright ban. I have no problem with a ban on partial birth abortions. Once it is developed enough to survive if it were born prem, you lose the choice to kill it. If you don't want it, either do something about it earlier or let someone who will love it adopt it. Really don't like my tax dollars paying for them.

2)Agree.

3)Agree.

4)Agree.

5)Agree. Several others can be added to that list.

6)Disagree. Would you like a copy of the l

#6

[LordBodak]

First off, registration leads to confiscation. We saw it in Australia, Germany, California a few times, and probably soon South Africa.

Second, assigning blame to people who do not commit crimes is never a good idea. If someone breaks into your home and steals a steak knife, and kills someone, you should not be held responsible. Same for guns. And the "they should all be locked up" argument doesn't work, because a home defense weapon is useless if you have to open a safe in the dark when you're suddenl

Re:#6

[Red Warrior]

You forgot England and Canada, among others.

My thoughts...

[Sylver Dragon]

1. Loosly agree, allow abortions till the end of the first trimester, after that, too late.
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. Roughly agree. First we need to make sure we are stopping false positives. At least get to a 99.999% success rate. Then, to hell with nice clean killing. Erect something like the Iron Mare and make it public.
5. Agree but both serve a purpose in a free country. The ACLU should be allowed to shout out whatever it believes. And every person, even the guy caught stabbing his wife to death deserves the best