"That's exactly my point"

Not a very good one.

"Commuting and using a tool for a work-related activity are not analogue one with another."

The *CAR* is the "tool" in the analogy, not the action.. I stand by my original post.

I do recognize his name and would like to find a book he's written, but pretty sure I've searched a number of times.

I think I was about as explicit as I could be about going for funny. How about this attempted joke:

You couldn't pay me to fly when the ATCs aren't being paid to keep my plane in the air. (But I haven't flown since around 2005...)

I would say the timeline matches, but I don't care nearly that much about the presentation to spend time on such aspects as forcing things to look differently. I prefer tools that are easy to use. Again from the funding perspective, why would I want to buy an annoying tool?

"I take it you don't get a salary? That you get paid by the second?"

I'm an "exempt" employee in California. Salary for over 2 decades.

I also turned down a company car to use my own. I get paid for "miles". $0.70 per. I do not get paid miles going to my office-- but from my office to any given site. At least during M-F. Sometimes I need to hit a site on the weekend, and miles start the moment I leave the driveway of my home.

There is zero expectation that my 8 hours start when I start my drive in to the office. It starts when I arrive. And yes, it's not uncommon (particularly during projects) that I work well over 8 hours. When that happens, we get comp-time at some point in the future.

"People expect to be paid for commute time too, at least in the sense that they will want more money if the commute is longer. Work from home made just coming to the office at all something which people want more money for."

People (employees) make that choice. They might take a longer commute for a job that pays more. It's not up to the employer to PAY for that commute ON TOP of their pay rate for a given job -- at least in my opinion.

"By that reasoning commuting with a vehicle provided by the employer should count as work time..."

Sigh....

You quoted me. There was more to what you were replying to than what you quoted. Read the rest:

"I would suggest that analogies are never "perfect" or "exact" -- they basically highlight similar bits of two different things to HOPEFULLY illustrate some concept or idea. If you are expecting it to be a 100% match, I think you might be misunderstanding what an analogy is."

(Why did you [beelsebob] propagate the vacuum?)

My reaction to any "federal" mention these days is to wonder if they are getting paid for their work. If not, and they are just doing it for love, why should we ever bother to pay them? But I think it will be funny if the shutdown lasts until the next election...

Just joking, but...

Good comment and too bad you weren't FP--and thank you for your relevant Subject.

I still approach it from the perspective of "Would I donate money for that?" And the answer is a partial yes for some of your suggestions. Some of them would take some creativity in describing the project in a way that would attract my donation. But I also have a workaround for some of the other stuff. A fraction of my donation could be reserved for the Mozilla people to assign based on their "unsexy infrastructure" needs. Or maybe the time limit on donations would be sufficient? In the context of the imaginary CSB (Charity Share Brokerage), I would have deposited my donation up front and then selected projects for the CSB to route my donation to. So if the time limit runs out before I've selected a sufficient number of projects, the CSB (as part of its project management mission) could route that money to the "unsexy but necessary" stuff.

Just the ACK and mostly concurrence, though I think most names these days have no recognizable semantic value, in contrast to your two examples. In Japanese most kanji can't lose their meanings. (Exceptions are "illegal" or imaginary kanji.)

Thanks for additional hints about the latest Firefox bloat.

I think you were going for funny and I'm not sure if the comment you are replying to was a sincere solution suggestion or also going for funny.

Mostly the ACK, but I'm wondering if the new name should ring a bell. Has he written any books on this? Nothing came up in the meta-search of local libraries.

I stand by my comparison. If the tool I'm provided is an employer-provided workstation, I should get paid the moment I start using it. If the tool I'm provided is a citrix session across a secure connection, I should get paid the moment I connect to it from my home PC.

Don't like the commute analogy? I would suggest that analogies are never "perfect" or "exact" -- they basically highlight similar bits of two different things to HOPEFULLY illustrate some concept or idea. If you are expecting it to be a 100% match, I think you might be misunderstanding what an analogy is.

I think that might matter. Running software through something like a citrix session via a secure connection on their home PC might negate any "when did they actually start working" argument. Much like I don't start getting paid the moment I hop in my car to go to work.

Kind of like a "digital" comminute.