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Comment Re:Putin's "Project Panama" (Score 1) 49

It seems that AI companies are not the only ones destroying millions of books in an effort to end certain parts of human culture.

This isn't about AI but about Ukraine. Aside from this being drastically off topic, it is worth articulating the many differences here. The AI companies are taking individual books and scanning so they have training data. They are making use of them. And they are doing so largely with older used books which would often be thrown out anyways. Used book stores throw out old books all the time, as do libraries. Moreover, the books being destroyed for digital scanning are often things which are not just that important, things like random sword-and-sorcery novels from 1975 and car manuals. This is in drastic contrast to the wide-scale deliberate destruction of books and book infrastructure by Russia; they are trying to destroy Ukrainian culture and the ability for children to get an education. In some cases, nearly entire print runs of a book or entire print runs have been destroyed by what Russia has done here. The situations aren't remotely comparable. So instead of making complaints about AI again, maybe show you actually care about books by making a donation as they've asked?

Comment Re:Large scale backlash, not serious discussion (Score 1) 90

Yes, people are using AI to generate slop, and do things like generate kitten pictures. But there's a lot of extremely productive use. We have a lot of people using it for coding. We have mathematicians using them to prove long-standing open math problems. There are a lot of positive uses here also.

Comment Re:Large scale backlash, not serious discussion (Score 1) 90

1. There are a lot of other concerns beyond what you mentioned. Noise, heat, pollution, destruction of neighborhoods...

Noise is largely due to gas turbines or diesel generators running. That's again the sort of thing where reasonable regulation can help out. Some other noise claims are also just not plausible; there have been examples of noise complaints about completed data centers which hadn't been turned on yet for example. The heat claims are generally not plausible. If you take the claims seriously, they'd have to be generating far more energy than they are. Meanwhile, people don't object to large parking lots which are constantly taking in sunlight and converting to heat. I'm also not sure how they engage in "destruction of neighborhoods" any more than any other building project.

2. None of the problems either of us mentioned depends on whether it will be used for AI. Why would you expect that to matter? If you do care about it, it's a pretty good bet that any new data center being built today is for AI.

Not really. Heavy duty training involves intensive energy use. And one of the genuine problems with AI data centers is the electricity use can be very high or very low with minimal warning to the grid operators. This is part of why it pushes up electric costs. I'm not sure what evidence you have that any new data center now is being built for AI. Many of the data centers being objected to are small "Edge Data Centers" used primarily to reduce latency for video streaming, video games, and other activities which require low latency https://www.maysteel.com/why-maysteel/resources/blog/types-of-data-centers-how-do-you-choose-the-right-data-center.

Putting solar panels on the roof of a data center is not much more than a fig leaf. Solar panels can produce around 200 W per square meter, but only in the daytime. A rack in a data center that takes up around 1 square meter can consume a few hundred times that much.

So, first putting solar panels on is a step. It doesn't do everything, but it is a good step. It also has the nice advantage that if there's a serious bust in data centers, there will be already solar panels ready to be connected the other way for the grid. But you are also underestimating the effectiveness of solar panels, for a few reasons. First, almost no data center is used at 100% capacity. The solar panels keep producing even when server racks are getting little use. Second, data centers require corridors for humans to move, office spaces for humans who work there to stay, along with bathrooms and other needed things. Typically, actual server space takes up around 20-25% of the actual space. Now, that's not quite as good as it seems, since data centers are often 2 or 3 floors. But overall, the ratio is still better than you state.

But if you think that's not enough, then you can make it tighter. You can do things like require that their parking lots have solar panels too. Or you can even just require a specific percentage of their power be handled by solar, and then let them figure out the details, including attached solar arrays if needed. But these are all conversations we can have, and far more useful than just saying "No!" very loudly.

Comment Large scale backlash, not serious discussion (Score 3, Insightful) 90

There's obviously a massive large-scale backlash here, and it is pretty bipartisan. Part of it is concern about water use (which is largely overblown) and part is concern about increases in electricity cost (which is much more reasonable). But it is clear that two related things are happening: 1) People are reacting this way to all data centers, whether or not they have anything to do with AI. 2) People are blocking data centers rather than trying to take reasonable steps to make them manageable with their concerns, like requiring that they have solar panels. There's room for compromise here, but we're not getting it.

Comment Re:Space telescopes will soon be much cheaper (Score 2) 35

I'm really hoping that occurs. But right now, Starship has run into a lot of delays, and we cannot rely on this turning to work out to be as cheap as we hope for our long-term planning. The expectation for the Space Shuttle was also that it would drastically reduce launch costs. It didn't for a wide variety of reasons. Starship incorporates a lot of lessons from that, including no use of solid fuel, much more improved heat shield, and using methane for the main liquid rocket engines rather than the harder to use hydrogen. (In general, one of the major insights the last few years has been that paying a small performance penalty in engines is worth it if it makes the engines cheaper and easier to reuse. This is essentially the design philosophy behind the Falcon 9's Merlin engines also, even as they did end up being pretty high performance engines even though they used kerosene. And the Raptor is going to be pretty high performance even though it uses methane.) And Starship doesn't have the engineering restraints being insisted upon to make the US military happy with weird orbital profiles. But whether that's enough is genuinely not easy to predict.

Comment Re:How this may play out (Score 1) 72

Unfortunately, we've already seen people refuse to take treatments for deadly diseases even when they have them. In the 1980s and 1990s you had a very loud HIV-AIDS denial movement which often got people to refuse to take anti-HIV drugs, claiming that the drugs were what we're making people sick. See for example Continuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(magazine) where the magazine ironically had to stop publication because all the editors and major contributors had died from AIDS. And one already sees a lot of people with cancer trying to use alternative treatments, often instead of chemotherapy or radiation. The more positive take here though is that since this treatment has fewer side-effects than chemo (which itself has fewer side-effects than older chemo treatments did) there may be less inclination for people to refuse it there.

Comment How this may play out (Score 4, Insightful) 72

If this works well, similar methods will likely work for other cancers also. Unfortunately, since it requires an individual design for a specific person, it likely is going to not benefit much from economies of scale, so it may remain very expensive. Also, given that it uses mRNA, it is likely that parts of the US right will either refuse to use it or will try to block it. Given RFK Jr. being in the Secretary of Health, what should be a slam dunk may end up becoming an uphill battle. On the bright side, some of the anti-vaxxers seem to be ok with mRNA systems once someone already has a disease.

Comment Re:So? (Score 1) 52

A bunch of reasons. Although the OP's summary about instantaneous exchange is largely wrong, similar systems to this are useful for quantum key distribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution and superdense coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdense_coding, the first which has obvious practical applications and the second which may have practical applications. This is also important because it pushes the limits of how quantum mechanics behaves. Some people have suggested that entanglement might change or break down over long-distances, which would be counter to what standard quantum mechanics predicts. So doing these sorts of experiments helps us become more confident that QM is essentially correct. In the same way how we do things like experiments to test other elements of physics, like general relativity, or using MICROSCOPE to test the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MICROSCOPE.

Comment Re: So what (Score 1) 143

Oh, for crying out loud. Disagreement with you doesn't mean someone is trying to feed any misinformation. I'm pretty public about who I am. And I've talked before on Slashdot about some of the major negatives of LLMs, including high energy use. I've discussed also how my spouse has at her library job been one of many who has had trouble getting patrons to understand that books hallucinated by ChatGPT don't exist. There's a lot of negatives here. But that doesn't mean that every single thing has the answer of AI-companies-be-evil.

Comment Re:So what (Score 1) 143

You are not reading the opinion correctly. See the above discussion with Smidge204. For a start note that the summary analysis on page 30 says ""On balance, as the purchased print copy was destroyed and its digital replacement not redistributed, this was a fair use." So they are explicitly using the destruction of the print copy. What is true is that it is possible that even if it had not been destroyed, it might have still been fair use. But that's not the situation here. So anyone relying on Bartz to protect their use is going to destroy the copy because that puts them in the legally strongest position.

Comment Re:So what (Score 1) 143

You keep quoting Anthorpic's arguments, try actually reading what the judge thought of those arguments?

At no point have I quoted Anthropic's arguments above.

You are misreading the part where you put it in on page 18. "This order disagrees" is referring to the sentence right before, about claiming that using it to train an LLM is inherently transformative. The next sentence then is relevant. That sentence which you quoted was "However, this order holds that the mere conversion of a print book to a digital file to save space and enable searchability was transformative for that reason alone."

Note the word used there; "conversion." Not scanning, but conversion. Similarly, where you quote "Anthropic was entitled to retain a copy of these works in a print format" does not mean what you think it means. That sentence is referring to if Anthropic had format shifted to a still printed version but had destroyed the original. The judge further makes this clear when at the end of the opinion, when the analysis is summarized on page 30 and 31, they write "On balance, as the purchased print copy was destroyed and its digital replacement not redistributed, this was a fair use." If that we're not an important part of their reasoning it wouldn't end up in that summary.

The important context here you may be missing is that this entire opinion is in the context of Hachette v. Internet Archive where non-destructive digitization was ruled not fair use. This opinion is carving out that what Anthropic did in that broader context. So if Anthropic had not engaged in the destruction, they might have won still on that, but that's not the situation that was in front of the court. So now, unless someone wants to risk relitigating, they are going to follow exactly what Anthropic did, so this essentially forces it in practice. See if it helps also the comment by AleRunner above which makes functionally the same point phrased a bit differently.

Comment Re: So what (Score 1) 143

Or you could read the whole case, including other elements such as on page 14 where they say "On the facts here, that format change itself added no new copies, eased storage and enabled, searchability, and was not done for purposes trenching upon the copyright owner’s rightful interests — it was transformative." The upshot should be clear here; there's little protection for fair use in general from scanning, but the protection is much higher if the scanned works are destroyed.

Comment Re:So what (Score 1) 143

So, let me suggest tentatively that given that you weren't even aware this order existed until a few minutes ago, and thought that there was just a settlement should make you slightly less confident about this conclusion. And no, it isn't "basically of no consequence," the central point here is that they got it to be at least as transformative in those cases because they had destroyed the original. That amounts to saying that they were reasonably safe here in part because they destroyed the work. And other parts of the ruling rely on this same point. See for example, page 14 where it says " On the facts here, that format change itself added no new copies, eased storage and enabled, searchability, and was not done for purposes trenching upon the copyright owner’s rightful interests — it was transformative." This is a major fact element to the decision.

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