" I think I was pretty clear that I'm against this individual, or any individual, deciding for themselves how a case should go without the benefit of due process, and acting on it."
In the steubenville rape case, due process failed, period. This man took justice into his own hands, and is being punished for it by cowards.
"Rearview cameras are way better than rearview mirrors at avoiding accidents"
That's news to me--i have a backup camera in my car and have used it once in five years (when a dog was running around behind me). Oh no, blind spots? I'll quote you: "You have a fallback of looking over your shoulder", which the driver should be doung anyway. Having side-mirror cameras is simply needless.
I'd say a lot of his fans are probably inside the country, given that disinformation against him usually doesn't portray him in a negative light (like disinformation against snowden or greenwald). This reflects the fact that the media and government have failed to smear him.
Aside from that, my question is: what did he reveal about the US government spying on its own people that is so damaging? And does learning that your government spies on you and lies about it make you madder at the messenger than any other party?
These questions are pretty much rhetorical, since i know damn well why you are here (as well as many others who frequent these topics on slashdo)t, but i'm still curious how you would answer them.
Whoops, sorry for the misunderstanding. I assumed I was seeing talk of Manning because of many details including this:
Snowden's media buddies just dumped everything out there without any consideration whatsoever of the consequences.
They did not "dump everything out", and there has been consideration of the consequences. The government has offered no evidence whatsoever--after much review--that Snowden's actions did any tangible harm.. just like Manning.
the leaks EVERYTHING, to foreign media
Again, I thought you were talking about Manning leaking to Snowden, because this is totally wrong--many of the Intercept, including Laura Poitress and Glenn Greenwald, are Americans. Intercept also didn't exist when Snowden first leaked these things, but came about because of it. At least Wikileaks is "foreign".
That's great that you share emotional sentiment about the character of Snowden with Robert Gates--is that supposed to compel me? And I guess that's all you share, unless you give me some examples as to what he leaked that pisses you off so much. Is it how the feds have modified exported router hardware? Or their various invasions of Google's subnets? Does learning that our government sees us at enemies make you mad at Snowden ? Really?
What I mentioned about hubris (as you put it) still applies--when it comes to Assange or Snowden, the "egomaniac" / "narcissist" narrative is just too obvious.
" Then, as if that wasn't enough, he leaks EVERYTHING, to foreign media. At least Ellsberg leaked to a reputable American media"
First, wikileaks isn't a media company. Second, two of those "reputable" (LOL) news sources that you speak of, including the Washington Post, ignored Manning when he contacted them--which is why he went to Wikileaks. Funny how one little detail like this fells a house of cards, which is in this case your babble about Manning being motivated by "hubris". Hubris! Same old argument, be it Assange Greenwald or Manning. You need a new script.
1 Sagan = Billions & Billions