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Comment Re:Barely enough for..dual-use? (Score 1) 76

The military implications are obvious. Think Ukraine. If you suspect the enemy is trying to infiltrate on a dark night along several kilometers of frontline, you light up the scene while launching a bunch of low-cost FPV drones, and those infiltrators are about to have a bad day.

You *can* spot infiltrators in the dark with IR cameras, but it requires much more expensive drones and isn't usually as effective, hence the preference for night operations. Plus, there's IR camouflage, with varying degrees of success. But it usually makes you stand out like a sore thumb under illumination (you're basically wearing a tent).

Comment Try this (Score 0) 76

If we assume a best case scenario, that is all sunlight is captured by the 60 x 60 feet reflector and then send down to earth in a 3 mile diameter circle this would correspond to a light intensity of approximately 0.02 W / m2 or 2 Lux.

This is barely brighter than the light from a full moon. Probably not even enough for any color vision. So in which scenario does that help? And that already entails that a full satellite is only dedicated to you.

Try this: go outside away from the city during a full moon.

I think you'll be surprised.

In the middle ages, when it was too hot during the day, farmers used to till and plant fields at night under the full moon. It allowed them to get more work done during the planting season.

Also try this: go outside between the hours of 2:00 PM and 7:00 PM in Spain right now (July).

I think you'll be surprised.

Comment Re:As an american... (Score 1) 108

So my question is how is DeepSeek censored (when you run it locally)? Was data about Tianamen Square ommitted? Was it fine tuned to censor? Did they touch the neurons directly to turn it off? LoRA?

DeepSeek the service / website is very much censored using front end filters. The model itself not so much. You can talk to it about Tianamen until you are blue in the face.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

No, it's not. It's akin to having secret numbers (that correlate neither with the spelling or meaning of the word) associated with each word, and the only way you can learn the secret numbers is if e.g. someone says "The secret number for Strawberry is '3'."

There are no other "clues" available to the LLM. It cannot see the property in question (spelling). It is a hidden "magic number" for all effects and purposes.

You are speaking irrelevant nonsense. LLMs are trained in words and they think in words. That the actual representation is different means jack diddly squat.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

who said counting isnt allowed? it is literally the entire fucking point of the question. look at the word and count the letters and tell me what it says!!!! are you retarded? are you LLM? you make no sense. stick with the program. stop trying to find an answer that fits your narrative. these things are STUPID. stupid as fuck because they are nothing more than 1s and 0s.

LLMs have no metacognition of any kind. Without being trained/told to go about obtaining the answer a certain way they have no clue they need to count otherwise the answer they would be giving is likely to be wrong.

Humans can do the whole oh shit I don't know so obviously I'm going to have to spell it out and count thing. LLMs are not humans and organically have no such capability. It has to be trained into them.

What I find retarded is this business of drawing STUPID conclusions based on cherry picked criteria you believe reinforces your preordained narrative. LLMs despite not being like humans and having a number of structural limitations have proven useful in a growing number of domains. Over the last few days I've been running one nonstop that takes a day to respond to a single prompt. It has been finding real problems in production software other humans have tried and failed to discover despite having expended considerable human effort.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

This is akin to altering the English alphabet such that quantity and shape of symbols in the alphabet is different before teaching students English

No, it's not. It's akin to having secret numbers (that correlate neither with the spelling or meaning of the word) associated with each word, and the only way you can learn the secret numbers is if e.g. someone says "The secret number for Strawberry is '3'."

There are no other "clues" available to the LLM. It cannot see the property in question (spelling). It is a hidden "magic number" for all effects and purposes.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

as there are daily videos of people doing this exact shit?

Literally go to a non-tiny AI right now and try it. Your pick. Try all the major ones - ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Grok, your pick. Then share me a link to the failure case you're claiming you'll get. Don't worry, I'll wait.

(Note: tiny: the "Google Answers" AI is a truly minuscule model, the sort of thing you could run on a cellphone with ample capacity to spare, and is only representative of minuscule models)

how about the guy that put 3 AIs together and told them to count to 100?

Sounds like what you actually have a complaint about is the (non-AI) voice interface they're linked to, because that's what screwed them. That entire premise doesn't work at all if you remove it and just do the test in text. Again: try it yourself.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

generally they fail at the balanced parenthesis problem

LLMs are way better than humans at ensuring that code parentheses are balanced, e.g. when writing code; LLM code is much more likely to compile / run on the first time than human code. There are literal parenthesis-counting circuits that emerge. That they're not perfect at it doesn't make them not be better than us at it. Humans tend to start to lose track after 3-4 levels of parentheses. LLMs have long since significantly outperformed us in nested grammatical tasks, so long as the level of training to the human and AI are at least remotely comparable.

Here is, internally, how models handle counting, despite not being able to see what they look at.

Also, your article is deeply dated, in terms of (A) models, (B) underlying articles, and (C) descriptions of how things work. Strange for something written in 2023; it reads like something written in 2020-2021. Just to give an example of what I mean, let's just grab a few paragraphs from the middle at random:

It operates in three basic stages. First, it takes the sequence of tokens that corresponds to the text so far, and finds an embedding (i.e. an array of numbers) that represents these. Then it operates on this embedding—in a “standard neural net way”, with values “rippling through” successive layers in a network—to produce a new embedding (i.e. a new array of numbers). It then takes the last part of this array and generates from it an array of about 50,000 values that turn into probabilities for different possible next tokens. (And, yes, it so happens that there are about the same number of tokens used as there are common words in English, though only about 3000 of the tokens are whole words, and the rest are fragments.)

A critical point is that every part of this pipeline is implemented by a neural network, whose weights are determined by end-to-end training of the network. In other words, in effect nothing except the overall architecture is “explicitly engineered”; everything is just “learned” from training data.

There are, however, plenty of details in the way the architecture is set up—reflecting all sorts of experience and neural net lore. And—even though this is definitely going into the weeds—I think it’s useful to talk about some of those details, not least to get a sense of just what goes into building something like ChatGPT.

First comes the embedding module. Here’s a schematic Wolfram Language representation for it for GPT-2:

The input is a vector of n tokens (represented as in the previous section by integers from 1 to about 50,000). Each of these tokens is converted (by a single-layer neural net) into an embedding vector (of length 768 for GPT-2 and 12,288 for ChatGPT’s GPT-3). Meanwhile, there’s a “secondary pathway” that takes the sequence of (integer) positions for the tokens, and from these integers creates another embedding vector. And finally the embedding vectors from the token value and the token position are added together—to produce the final sequence of embedding vectors from the embedding module.

Why does one just add the token-value and token-position embedding vectors together? I don’t think there’s any particular science to this. It’s just that various different things have been tried, and this is one that seems to work. And it’s part of the lore of neural nets that—in some sense—so long as the setup one has is “roughly right” it’s usually possible to home in on details just by doing sufficient training, without ever really needing to “understand at an engineering level” quite how the neural net has ended up configuring itself.

Unless this is awkwardly worded, it does not "find an embedding (i.e. an array of numbers) that represents [the input sequence of tokens]". Each token has its own embedding. And they don't need to be "found", they're just a lookup.

Values don't go “rippling through successive layers" in a LLM. The core of a LLM is dozens to hundreds of individual DNNs (feed-forward networks) separated by attention blocks and add+norm. He entirely writes this out of the picture (at this point - later he reinserts them but does so incorrectly), but they are utterly critical to a LLM's ability to function.

"A critical point is that every part of this pipeline is implemented by a neural network" - No, it isn't.

"nothing except the overall architecture is “explicitly engineered”; everything is just “learned” from training data" - No, it isn't. Creating your vocabulary for example is done with an algo like BPE or unigram. Not neural network based.

"Here’s a schematic Wolfram Language representation for it for GPT-2 .... 12,288 for ChatGPT's GPT-3" - I hope you understand how ancient these architectures are by now.

"Meanwhile, there’s a “secondary pathway” that takes the sequence of (integer) positions for the tokens..." - to the point that they don't even have RoPE yet.

"Why does one just add the token-value and token-position embedding vectors together? I don’t think there’s any particular science to this." - Uh, yes, there very much is. This isn't some sort of cargo-cult nonsense, it's a basic property of latent spaces. Information in a latent space (in most latent spaces) is encoded by directionality. You can merge multiple concepts into a latent space or adjust the properties of a given latent by summing them together, thus creating a vector that incorporates both directions.

Anyway, that's enough to show what I think of the quality of your reference, esp. in a modern setting. :P Moving on:

It's related to the clock problem

Multimodal input isn't as advanced as textual input, to be sure, but let's not pretend that the human brain isn't also readily tricked in various kinds of vision problems.

If you ask a neural network to recognize "A" then all As will be tokenized the same way

Sorry, that is, again, not how it works. Tokenization happens before the model ever touches the input. It's literally the first step. It has no say over how it's done. It can't say "tokenize this differently". Even the tokens themselves don't make it to the LLM; they only point to latent positions.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

hahaha no, not at all like that.

if AI is supposed to be intelligent, then it can figure out how to count the number of letters in a word. come on, we expect more of first graders.

the fact that you think its "stupid" shows just how emotionally invested you are.

What I expect the proverbial first grader to do is go through each letter of the word and count on their fingers how many times the magic letter appears.

I don't expect a grown adult to be able to tell you the number of specific characters in any word without counting.

Most modern LLMs now get these questions right because their post training tells them to first burn tokens working to get the answer in an analogous way to a person first rather than attempting to blurt shit out by rote or whatever analogous hidden layer thinking bullshit they can do alone.

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

You have it backwards. They see words not tokens or letters.

Sorry, but no. Inputs are tokenized before being fed to the model.

This is akin to altering the English alphabet such that quantity and shape of symbols in the alphabet is different before teaching students English. They still learn the same underlying knowledge and think in the same way as everyone else. The altered symbology is irrelevant to them. Only when communicating with others outside of the class does the altered alphabet become relevant.

Whatever symbology is used internally to represent words LLMs are trained using and operate on words. A dictionary is simply a lossless translation layer between the machine and the outside world irrelevant to the operation of the model.

Do you think trainers, by habit, put their specific model's token dictionaries into the training data

Why would they need to? Why do you think any of this is even relevant? It is interesting you didn't address my hypothetical where an LLMs token dictionary was comprised only of single characters. Would the fact there is no difference between HELLO and 8,5,12,12,15 have been too obvious?

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 2) 184

Actually, no, it doesn't. "S T R A W B E R R Y" can be tokenized e.g. as

"[start]", "S", " ", "T", " ", "R" ....

But more common it may look something like "[start]S ", "T R", " A W", " B ", "E R R", " Y[end]" or whatnot.

And anyway, anyone who's used a (non-tiny) model in the past 2 years or so knows that these sorts of issues aren't really a "thing" anymore. But the key point is that this is a test on an ability to count something that the LLM can't actually see (letters).

Comment Re:"Reasoning" (Score 1) 184

You have it backwards. They see words not tokens or letters.

Sorry, but no. Inputs are tokenized before being fed to the model.

Do you think LLMs don't know how words are spelled due to composition of token dictionaries

Do you think trainers, by habit, put their specific model's token dictionaries into the training data - let alone repeat it often enough in numerous different forms so as to promote memorization?

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