Comment Re:Yo dawg, I heard you like automation. (Score 1) 35
It is called Model Collapse, and avoiding it is a hot research topic.
It is called Model Collapse, and avoiding it is a hot research topic.
My cochlear implant - Spectra 22 from the mid-90s - has a 2.5mm input jack so I can connect a microphone and isolate the sound source. If we're in a restaurant, or driving, for example, my wife will wear it under chin so I pick up her voice almost exclusively. If we're in a crowd, and moving about, it's not as convenient, so I'm at the mercy of a flood of noise.
Did not know they had a mic jack. That's a nice addition.
If you punish companies for firing, you get less hiring.
Countries with inflexible labor markets tend to have higher unemployment.
It's interesting that although the article avoids stating causation, it does use the word "help," which is also an extremely strong statement when the data only shows correlation. Social-economic level, especially relating to income and assets should be the very first obvious factor analyzed.
Especially when people look at everything from socioeconomic level.
There's a reason that rich people support and participate in the arts more than poor people. Rich people have the spare time, spare money, and often less stress (economic, health, etc.).
Definitely will have more spare money.
But do you believe that the wealthy are indolent or something? Many of my peers are in the millionaire class, and they work hard and long. And more than a few are highly stressed.
For example, some high schools require a lot of money (up to $5000 for one school in our area) per season to participating in marching band, and that doesn't even include buying the expensive instrument.
It is fortunate that there are many other forms of art, some that require little more than a sketchpad and pencils. I know what you are talking about a little, as my parents would not get me an instrument when I wanted to join the school band. So I got a part time job after school, saved my money, bought a Fender Bass and amp, and was making around 100 dollars a week in 1970. Not too bad for a 10th grader.
Art is creating things, not spending money. You can pick an art form that requires money, but it is not mandatory. You can even just buy a knife and carve found wood.
Poor people have to work more hours for lower pay.
You're talking to a guy who regularly worked 60 hours a week, and more than a few occasions 100 hours.
When they do have spare time, simply destressing is more important than indulgence in the arts.
Oh man! My art is my de-stressing. Wonder what the difference is? How does someone de-stress when they cannot even make sketches, maybe sing, or do anything?
Slashdot has a lot of tech people in here. I wonder if they actually understand art?
From a government examination
https://www.arts.gov/executive...
"As has been true historically, education and income are strong predictors of arts participation. In every cohort, in every art form, those with more education and higher incomes participate at higher rates than those with less. "
Here are some demographics for Classical Music concern attendees (they skew wealthier and more highly educated):
https://gitnux.org/classical-m...
On pop music, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the poor aren't spending $1,000+ a pop for Taylor Swift concerts.
Maybe you could isolate income as a variable, but it doesn't appear the original study attempted to do that.
It is very interesting read - I go to take a number of things out of it, thanks again.
FTS
37% of classical music listeners in the UK are aged 16-34, debunking the "graying audience" myth
I'm not certain how that jibes with the common meme that Boomers sucked up all the money, and GenZ people are poor.
One-third of classical music fans live in households earning over $100,000 annually
Which is another way of saying two-thirds are living in households making under $100,000 annually
From the other report, I was gobsmacked when they wrote:
Proportionately fewer baby boomers have advanced into top professional and high-salaried positions, despite their advanced degrees.
Wait... what? the boomers, who are claimed to hoard all their money to themselves, won't retire because they refuse to give up their big money, and aer generally the cause of every problem on earth is that? I've been told by millennial and Genders that they can hardly wait for us to die so they stand a chance of fixing everything. I mean, we are hated. That's a shock.
What I am seeing, from the scope of those two reports/studies is that there are wide demographics interested in the Arts, and I have no doubt that interest in the arts is an enhancement to life. I do not see that the poor are excluded. I do not see that the poor have zero time to appreciate art. But that's just me.
From a government examination
https://www.arts.gov/executive...
"As has been true historically, education and income are strong predictors of arts participation. In every cohort, in every art form, those with more education and higher incomes participate at higher rates than those with less. "
Here are some demographics for Classical Music concern attendees (they skew wealthier and more highly educated):
https://gitnux.org/classical-m...
On pop music, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the poor aren't spending $1,000+ a pop for Taylor Swift concerts.
Maybe you could isolate income as a variable, but it doesn't appear the original study attempted to do that.
Thanks - reading them now.
You obviously don't understand the actual post being made. The more difficult life is to do things like paying your bills, working multiple jobs, and things of that sort, the more stress people will have, which shortens their lives. On the flip side, those who have more leisure time and carry less stress will live longer.
You are invoking a meme. I do have an art minor, so I've seen a lot of artists and people who are interested in art. There are many artists who remain poor to work their craft. They are not stressed about that - it is their choice.
There are wealthy people who are not interested in Art. As well, more than a few who are both artists and wealthy
But can you address how a poor person is kept from accessing art on the internet? Even places like Facebook have a lot of art on them. Not many people are bereft of a smartphone or computer.
I've been very poor, yet always been interested in art. I work many hours a week now (although slowed a bit since retirement) , more hours than when I was poor. I have money. I really think a person is interested in art or they are not. Making it into a class warfare issue is specious as far as I'm concerned.
But this is Slashdot, where virtue is inversely proportional to wealth. 8^)
You are making unwarranted assumptions. My post has nothing to do with value judgments about wealth. Most people would consider me wealthy if they knew my financial situation and income.
It's simply the case that wealthy people are statistically far more likely to be engaged with the arts. They are also the people who can afford healthcare, gym memberships, and taking time to engage with arts. Yes, people of modest means can and do engage with the arts, but we are talking about averages.
Oh - averages, Can you give me those statistics? I get a lot of Artists exposing inequalities between rich and poor from searches. So perhaps rather than talk about statistical averages, and making it a wealthy versus poor battle - and let us face it, all of that reads a whole lot like good old class warfare - we might look into the differences between those people of modest means who are interested in art, and those of modest means who have no interest in art.
In addition, perhaps looking into the differences between wealthy people who are interested in art, and those who are not could be interesting. Because there are wealthy people who aren't interested.
Because if we just make this another have versus have not thing, it will deteriorate quickly.
What if you have a job that you enjoy and involves being creative? Figure out what you enjoy doing and get a job doing that.
Now you'll have to excuse me. Amazon just delivered a 20 ton marble block. And I've got to go and chisel something out of it. A David, perhaps. Or maybe a Trump.
You'd have to get a load of Bull manure for the last one.
I mean if people didn't have to work shitty jobs for a living and instead had the time and money to paint (extensively), socialise and visit museums all day; is it simply the lack of stress and greater joy that's prolonging their life rather than the art and culture?
You have an interesting outlook. People with money and apparently a lot of free time, are living in a utopia of stress free living.
Perhaps your outlook and narrative shows where your priorities are. As I noted before to others, are you prevented from accessing the wealth of art on the Internet?
In reality, it isn't that there are reasons to find people with incredible amounts of money to be problematic.
But it also becomes problematic when it becomes an obsession, when all you see is reasons to spread your hate and turn every topic into class warfare.
Just shows that, if you have the money to not work a lot and stress yourself out on the daily, you can afford to enrich your life with those (expensive) things. Like that stupid study that said that horse owners tend to live longer that ignored that the same 'horse people' have a lot of money for healthcare and leisure time. Yup, another no-brainer here.
While it makes for narrative validation to yet again turn people with money into your mortal enemy, do you have a computer? Do you have a cell phone?
Tell me comrade, are you blocked from accessing art sites on them?
Comrade, do not make the mistake of thinking that you need huge amounts of spare time and wealth to appreciate art. You can do it on your digital devices instead of watching reality TV. And museums are all over the place. What is more, you can even make your own art.
But it is easier to look at everything as your class warfare outlook - Maybe class warfare is your art form.
In this case, arts is likely to just be another proxy for wealth. Wealthier people are more likely to engage with the arts and have the leisure time required to do so.
As a person of the class that you hate, I make the time to engage with the arts. And I did it when I was poor too.
Not everything is about your class warfare, comrade.
Hearing aids can help a little, but after about 15 minutes, I'm exhausted. If this works, I'll sign right up.
It needs to go beyond just what they consume, but also, for ALL infrastructure upgrades associated with it. You open a new sports stadium, the stadium owners should be paying for highway and rail construction, plus maintenance for those things going forward. You open a data center, the data center owners will generally not be paying for upgraded transmission lines, transformers, and even the cost of all new generators required.
Something similar happened with the Marcellus shale natgas drilling in my area. The gas companies improved the back roads they drove on, and in one case, repaved a whole length of highway after their very heavy equipment made a mess of it. The highway wasn't constructed for it (it was a road through an area where big trucks never went unless they took a wrong turn. The new length of highway is now sturdy, and very nice.
I actually had to be escorted through the area right after they wrecked the road. It was interesting to say the least. But as noted, they've owned their damage, and actually improved things.
There are no data that cannot be plotted on a straight line if the axis are chosen correctly.