Yes. I watched a documentary about the Destruction wreaked on countries that fell to the Roman Empire. Once they won, the Romans set to destroying the cities, and buried the places under the rubble.

They then set to rebuilding to reinforce Roman power. Interestingly, often a coliseum was one of the first items.

War is incredibly wasteful of resources and people. But it isn't going to go away totally because it is part of our genetics.

Remind me again on how you use really poor deflection methods, and accomplish nothing?

Since you read the thread so far, that's the only thing.

I am not defending the action in Iran, or Ukraine, or wherever else humans are happily killing each other in 2026. My personal analysis is that it is a big mistake. I'll even spell it out the background and my simple question again:

Humanity has engaged in "Killing the Other", as long as we've had history, and even before, Notably at the site of Jebel Sahaba, committed against a population associated with the Qadan culture of far northern Sudan. The cemetery contains a large number of skeletons that are approximately 14,000 years old, around half of the skeletons with arrowheads embedded in them. This is the earliest scientifically determined instance of warfare.

We even engage in internecine warfare, where we kill those within our group, not "The Other". And we haven't stopped. This is not conjecture that we haven't stopped - these are verifiable facts.

Humans are not the only species to intrinsically engage in war against themselves, Pan Troglodytes (Chimpanzee) is quite violent as well.

Early History shows this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (that page has a lot of good stuff - and is the jump point for the series on War. And oh, goodness, the Roman Empire....

So my question, which is quite simple follows: Since humans simply will engage in warfare, some group will be in the lead position.

If not the USA, tell me who you want to be in the lead position?

I don't disagree. But the easy manipulation is because of the genetic propensity to violence. It may have helped humanity to survive in our earlier evolution, but especially now, threatens our existence.

Once again, I agree. And too far left or right becomes totalitarian as well. But my original question pretty much remains unanswered. There are too many armed conflicts around the world wo suggest that we don't like what we are doing.

You can go down the pedantry route if you want, but this is a story about mcbook neo. And you can certainly run something like a switch 2 version of CP2077 if that ever gets released in the massively cut down version.

Do you know what is one of the big features of those cut down versions? Super compressed low res textures. Guess what takes much if not most of storage space in most modern AAA games?

War is a horrible waste of people, materials, and money. Of course we shouldn't ever make war.

My point is not about the USA, or Iran, or China, or the Great Orange shitgibbon. If it he or Putin disappeared tonight, war wouldn't go away. Because there are places where the US or Russians are not fighting. https://www.instagram.com/p/DE....

My point, and my only point is that as long as there are humans, there will be wars. Killing other humans is a core competency of humans, it has been proven over and over again.

So anyone who understands that needs to ask themselves, who do you want to be the war leaders? Because if the USA went away tomorrow, not much would change.

Blaming it on Donnie and the Epstein files is all well and good, but that's not the question I've been asking. That this present action is ill thought out is hard to deny as a major screwup there are still all the other "actions" going on, with our without him. With or without the USA.

That wouldn't make up for Ukraine and Gaza war support, but yeah, you're probably right. We'd all probably be getting arrested for hate-speech laws if she'd have got in, too, but alas I'm still here talking shit.

Hahahaha! Suuuure. You sound completely rational I'm sure everyone who reads you post will immediately become a Democrat.

Mostly the media, but it sure as fuck hasn't been Libertarians, Green Party, Bull Moose, or any other 3rd party that's tried.

Another "Say one word that could even be interpreted as not support Ukraine and I'll accuse you of Putin worship." guy. Yeah, great logic, moron. Everyone at antiwar.com is a "Putin worshiper". Very rational and well thought out...

Going by CVE counts, it sure as FUCK seems to be working for some folks. They "just picked one" when they picked OpenVMS and those user hit a massive security jackpot with 19 CVEs in 49 years. Fucking security doorknobs love your phrase "defense in depth" but it's really simple: do everything you can. Sure, that's a great idea, too, but if you are denying that some folks who choose more secure operating systems didn't reap large security benefits by being less attractive targets, you're simply ignoring reality.

Unpopularity and obscurity are pretty fucking closely related. VMS has been around since the 1970's. It has ~0.4 CVEs per year (19 CVEs ÷ ~49 years). In Linux there are 14k CVEs and that comes out to around 400 CVEs a year on average. Windows is a bit harder to calculate but it's between 500 and 1000 CVE's a year. So, by this metric, OpenVMS is between 500x-1000x more secure.

Obviously, you can do more with Linux or Windows at this point, but that's not really germane to the discussion. We are talking about security. If "obscurity" doesn't matter, then why the MASSSSSSSSIVE fucking disparity? That was rhetorical. Don't bother answering. You'll only look less informed and more pedantic than you already do.

If they start shooting at ships that haven't paid the tolls, I'd imagine the US and Israel will simply re-start blowing up their power plants, oil refineries, manufacturing facilities, and bridges. The only way Trump would go along with that is if they start paying him or his family personally out of the toll fees, lol.

My guess is that they'll let oil prices go down, do the midterm elections, then go back to bombing Iran. The only question in my mind is if Kamala would have started dropping the bombs sooner or later. I don't know if a promise not to start wars (like Trump) makes them more or less likely to actually do it. Kamala was all "Yea! War!" so maybe she'd have not done it? All these faces to the Uniparty... but it's still not confusing. You get two choices as an American. One is to start/continue wars behind an orange retard. The other is to start/continue wars behind some brown bitch-retard. Kinda finding it hard to see any real difference beyond the flavor of retard you prefer making the retarded pronouncements and declarations. Do you want those announcements from some dumb bitch you would not let operate a can-opener by herself or some angry ancient orangutan-looking asshole who you'd bet against putting his pants on by himself?

Great choices, partisans. Lovely situation you've both-sides'd us into.

I hear he's like the cellist dude. Never gets angry when people call his mother fat.

It's pretty risky to use any software from a monoculture. You risk going down at the same time as everyone else during a big exploit. You risk getting hit with zero-day code and sitting there compromised without even knowing it. At least, it appears your risk is significantly higher if you are on a closed source commercial operating system.

Security weenies claim security via obscurity doesn't work, but it absolutely does if you like to use data and respect what it tells you. Check the number of security CVEs for operating systems like OpenVMS, MPE/IX, and see how they compare with Linux or Windows. By volume, the most popular OSes get the most attacks and successful exploits.

Thus, it doesn't really make sense to be on the "most popular" platforms. You'll just get Broadcom'd like VMware users. Stay in an out-of-the-way niche and you're going to get a lot less negative attention.

Let's see them. Stop fucking talking and show your cards, Anthropic. So far you have three exploits racked up that could have easily been written/found by humans working for a multi-billion-dollar company. You already lied bigtime about writing a functional C compiler. I downloaded it and found it had a broken assembler, broken linker, and couldn't optimize a 500-line bubble sort. It was a dirty lie. So, no, these guys do not have any street cred. These guys have so-far found three bugs and written one exploit. If they are worth billions then Solar Designer and Aleph One should be worth trillions and so would *I*. We've done way more than that in the past.

Fuck you, Anthropic. I say you're lying. Prove your "thousands of bugs" claim or shut the actual fuck up. I'll be watching. If we had such "powerful" and "scary" tools to flood the BSD's with actual security threats complete with operational proof-of-concept code, then there would be 100's of new CVE's and Bugtraq posts with exploits. You have ONE FreeBSD exploit to your name, Anthropic, and that's not nearly enough for your claims.

Also fuck all these guys going hammer and tongs at FOSS while practicing "responsible disclosure" with Apple and Microsoft. Anthropic claims to have Windows, MacOS, and Linux bugs with the same level of severity but THOSE BUGS were too "sensitive". Guys suck a giant dick. If LLMs really do become able to find hundreds or thousands of bugs from source code, keep in mind the Windows and MacOS source ain't that hard to get, either. All it'll take is one Russian douchebag to steal some LLM credits and create the same flood of garbage against Microsoft or Apple (which they will keep secret and use for ransomware) and who do you think has more bugs waiting to be exploited, OpenBSD or Windows?

You mom is quite happy with mine - She's a really nice lady.

Christ, this thread is degenerating..... ;^)