Comment Re:but is that due to bad science/medicine? (Score 1) 112
Anything you'd say about smoking applies to overeating. Why don't we similar patterns?
Oh, we couldn't agree more. I think smoking should be outright illegal and all tabaco companies need to be dissolved and nicotin added to the list of drugs right next to heroin and cocaine. And while I don't feel so strongly about alcohol, I do think that getting drunk should be shameful, not somehow "cool".
Why aren't they going through the same cycle? Recurring addicts are a rarity. Perpetually dieting fat people are the norm.
Because there's a whole industry built on diets, which all intentionally do not work because if you just withhold nutrition from the body, the thing your body learns is: "Food isn't always available. Therefore, when it is, eat as much as possible and store as much as possible as fat reserve."
No one thought to look into hunger signaling.
I sincerely doubt that.
I think that you mean is: Nobody knew how to profit from it.
My signaling is completely worthless. I get hunger pains long before I've exhausted the calories I've consumed.
I get you, except that for me it's the other way around. I can forget to eat until I notice I'm hangry and light-headed and then I force myself to eat something. So yes, this is a personal thing that differs between people and I can totally get how that affects life. For me, not going to the office anymore had a huge effect, because in my home office there's no meal time where colleagues come over to ask if I want to join.
You responded with every common sense step I've been doing since I was 10 and realized I was fat and didn't want to be.
Respect.
What I'm not so sure about is if that really applies to everyone. I do see fat people eating large portions and downing one Cola after the other. I'm not sure how many really apply all of those common sense steps. Some, certainly. All? Certainly not.
True, most do need to just workout and eat right.
Ah. I see we are pretty much on the same page there.
if you worked out and ate like I did, you'd probably be very lean and fit. There are many others who have it worse than I do. It's variable by person,
We agree on that. I would grant genetics to everything within a let's say +- 20% range. Say roughly the range from 65 to 100 kg for an adult male. Give or take a few kg. But anyone coming in at 150 kg or more - I refuse to believe that's genetics alone. Because normal distributions are a thing. And someone several sigma away from the average is so unlikely that the claim it's a personal deviation needs evidence to be credible.
I probably won't convince you, but I also am not shy about responding.
Thanks. No, seriously. We learn from each other by exchanging opinions and experiences. We don't need to convince each other, but adding more data points to someone else's experiences will adjust their opinions if they are open. You won't convince me, but you've given me things to consider and you've likely moved my views at least some.