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Comment Re:Nope (Score 1) 223

I think this Friedman quote still has relevance though:

Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it's jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.

Does it really serve a purpose if you make it harder than it needs to be? And self-driving cars will be a benefit to everyone else. I can go down to the store and get a liter of milk for next to nothing because of milking robots and other automation, if I had to pay a living wage for someone to pull a cow's teats it would cost a *lot* more. All those stores who transport goods will get cheaper. The money people don't pay on taxis will be spent on other things. Everyone can spend their commute watching TV instead of wasting home time. It'll be more practical to live further from the office. Elderly might get around more and live more fulfilling lives. Large groups of people would have the benefits of a private driver, previously a rare luxury. In ways perhaps even better, since you get total discretion and it's always at your whim 24x7.

Assuming you can still find a job, of course. But we've been pretty inventive about creating new needs and services once we could afford to. The burger flipper might be on the way out, I doubt the chef is. A robot vacuum cleaner isn't scrubbing the bathroom or dusting the furniture. The electric lawn mower doesn't do flower beds or trimming the hedge. The washing machine doesn't pair my socks or iron my shirts. Of course you might say that one day we'll have a "I, Robot" assistant that'll do absolutely everything a human does cheaper and better but that's not in 10 or 50 years. Neither is self-repairing, self-replicating and self-evolving robots that work almost by themselves.

Real wages in the US has been flat for quite some time now, but at the same time you've had a massive influx of cheap labor on the global market depressing wages. You don't get a zillion Chinese or Indian employees working for a pittance anymore, when you look at the whole world workers are getting better paid. If it keeps going up, sooner or later it will return to growth in the US too because US wages are normal wages and not super expensive wages anymore. There is no magic that makes Americans stay far ahead of the pack forever, even though that how it's been in the past with the old world destrroying itself with world wars and an illiterate, primitive third world. There are smart people other places too, when they get the opportunity.

Comment Re:Nope (Score 1) 223

Incidentally, Friedman also supported the most reasonable solution to the problem we'll be facing - a universal basic income.

And exactly where does this *magic* money come from to pay out all this Universal Basic Income?

If hardly anyone is working where does this magic money come from?

Are you going to take the few people making a LOT of money 3/4's or more of their income to give handouts to everyone else?

At some point, people get pissed they're working for something, and all their money and incentive to work is taken away.

Hell, if you took and confiscated EVERYTHING the top 1% currently owns...it would not pay the rest of us anything for even a full year. What do you do after that?

Comment Re:Surprised (Score 1) 480

I grew up as a kid in the 60's and 70's and 80's....

I saw the rise of the internet from nothing till now.

And honeslty, I"d seriously consider trading some of the tech we have today, to go back to have more closeness and civility we had back then.

I actually am starting to thinks that some of the all the time connected social media proliferation, has had somewhat of a detrimental effect on our society.

We're certainly MUCH more polarized as a nation now than then....I'd trade a few smart phones for that again.

I'm certainly glad I'm not growing up a kid today....

Comment Re:That can't be right (Score 1) 480

If Hillary got elected, it would have been business as usual and things would have continued on as they have under Obama.

You say that as almost if you think that was a good thing.....?!!?

Obama..worst president to date, just barely undercutting the previous Bush.

Again, I'm not a huge Trump supporter by a long shot. I don't think he's all that knowledgeable, but I do think he knows how to gather people around him that do.

I was actually this time around...and I hate to admit it...a single issue voter.

The Supreme Court.....and next nominees to it. That was what scared the piss out of me about Hillary even more than all the other stuff I didn't like about her and the potential for continuing Obama.

I think "O" led the US fully down the wrong road, and tried to fundamentally change what it meant to be the US and to be a US citizen. He was a globalist and often I wondered if he thought of the US first when it came to things, or if he was how will this affect the world all the time.

I'm not hiring my leaders and my government to think about how we can better the world to the detriment of the US, but I want them there to fight to compete the best we can with the rest of the world.

Certainly the rest of the world is thinking about themselves first too....and we need to do the same, or lose.

Comment Re:Surprised (Score 1) 480

Why people like to compare past households with present day households to suggest the economy was better in the 50's, 60's is incomprehensible. They're apples and oranges. The economy was not better, the standard of living was lower. At no time in the history of the United States has there been a time when the average citizen has been as materially wealthy as they are now. We don't build 1000sq. ft. mid-century modest homes, we build 2000+ sq. ft. McMansions. We don't drive those unreliable, antiquated tanks on wheels, nor is there just one per family. Today the average passenger car would be seen as fit for the 1/10th of the 1% back then. Today the average person owns vastly more cloths and of that those of materials that would have been exclusive to the elite. Imagine sitting down in the evening to a 15" manual-tune grayscale VHF tube TV the size of a significant chest of drawers today. People back then couldn't even comprehend the existence of the personal electronics the average person owns today let alone possessing them themselves. The quality and kinds of food readily available and affordable today would be seen as scandalously extravagant. The service industry of which everyone presently avails themselves was bit a tiny mote of what it is today. These comparisons can be made for nearly all facets of life with great similarity of result.

To suggest that people would be better off with the economy of the 50's and 60's is preposterous. If we lived now as we did then, then Walmart would absolutely be the employer of bourgeoisie.

Hmm...but they DID seem to be much less obese, had more intact families (children raised with both parents, this is especially true in the minority communities back then), more of a true middle class....and in general, the country seemed less stressed and happier in general.

Of course some exceptions...Vietnam war, etc...But in general, the US seemed a happier and MUCH LESS divided nation than we are today.

Comment Re:That can't be right (Score 1) 480

You're not paying attention to the right-wing echo chamber. Make America great again refers to the 1850's.

If common sense was so prevalent, Trump wouldn't have gotten elected.

I'm hoping you *really* don't believe all that.

I don't think the majority of folks that voted for Trump, and it is a lot of them...really believe that, and I've not heard anyone seriously advocating for such extreme measures, including the Trumpster himself....

I am no big fan of his, but so far, I've seen him mellow on some of the more harsh rhetoric in the campaign. And so far, many of the things he is indicating he wants to do seem quite sane and good for the US going forward.

No one knows the future, but seriously, just because he won over Hillary isn't the end of the world.

Not that much is going to change in the US...the president doesn't have quite that much power. In fact on the news the other day, I heard that congressmen talking with Trump were wanting to work to actually shift the Executive branch overreach and power grab of the last few administrations back to a more constitutionally advocated balance of powers and restore more of the checks and balances our Feds are supposed to operate within.

Comment Re:That can't be right (Score 1) 480

Child labor laws prevents kids as young as five-year-old from working 12 hour shifts seven days a week.

Err...ok, c'mon, use a little common sense, no one is talking about the child labor laws for kids under 15yrs going away....

All those trust fund babies need to get off their lazy asses and work in the coal mines.

Ok...hey, some people have it lucky. We're only talking about people needing to work that NEED the money. If you need money, you need to work for it, not get a hand out from the government. Again, let's use a little common, real world, real life sense here, eh?

I mean, if some working class guy wins $20M from the powerball, no one expects him to have to work again. Again, some people get dealt a lucky hand in life, no need to begrudge them. That's just life.

Comment Re:That can't be right (Score 1) 480

The only way to make America great again is to get EVERYONE WORKING again, including children, retirees and slackers. Trump will add 92 million jobs!

Err...what's wrong with kids/students working?

I have been working a job of some sort since I was 16yrs old. I worked through High School and most all of college. At 16yrs i started off washing dishes in a restaurant, moved from there over the years to bus boy, waiter, bartender....also did some stints in retail selling clothing and shoes, all the way up till I got my first "real job".

And what's wrong with "slackers" working? No one that is able bodied should be given a free ride, hell yes get out there and work.

Comment I'm downgrading to 7 (Score 1) 114

A little late for some quality karma whoring here but....

We have some NVR software for our IP cameras. I thought it would be a good idea to upgrade the VM running it to windows 10. Huge mistake.. I can't fsck'ing control when the damn things reboot. (This is 10 pro)

So I'm downgrading our NVR machines to win 7. Sorry MS, 10 works great on the desktop, my GPO objects mostly work, but this reboot thing is a HUGE issue.

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