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Comment Re:It's... it's... it's... (Score 1) 92

What alternative? Without regulation every single service will be just as bad.

Ecosia and Qwant both European search engines. Both are currently in the process of developing EUSP (European Search Perspective), a search index built by Ecosia and Qwant, based in Paris, so they have to rely less on Bing and Google Search.

Comment Re:It's a car dealership (Score 1) 166

People pay $20 for a hotdog all the time. Buy a "gourmet" hotdog in a high cost area sometime and you'll see what I mean. Nobody pays $5 per minute plus $5 per kWh to use an EV charger. That is blatant price gouging. You can call the victim of this highway robbery an idiot, but in fact he was driving a rental and probably had no idea what he was doing. I guess you feel that being unfamiliar with EV charging norms is license to rip off the customer.

You go ahead and double down. I'm on the side of the victim. I hope the local DA makes the owner of the charger sweat a little since Michigan has consumer protections that make this kind of behavior illegal.

Comment Re:News Flash (Score 1) 166

This isn't a crisis. There are no jacked up prices. This is a fixed fee for a product that is shown up front. There's nothing to investigate. Fine use the term arsehole if you want, but then just note that pretty much every business which provides EV chargers to employees is now an arsehole.

I guess you would be happy to pay $420 to charge a Chevy Bolt since the prices aren't jacked up, then. Crises or not, many states will prosecute over this behavior. it's illegal in Michigan where this asshole's business is. See section Z of the Michigan Consumer Protection Act.

I guess the only way to not be arseholes is to instead tell people who desperately need a charge to go fuck themselves and look elsewhere. That's kindness in your eyes right?

I don't know where the "desperation" excuse has materialized among this dealership's supporters. This was naivete. Someone else pointed out another charger was listed a couple miles away on the EVGO app .

And kindness is not to advertise a charger as public and proceed to rip off the people who try to use it. I have a privately owned L2 charger installed in my garage. Since it's not public, am I telling people who are desperate for a charge to fuck themselves too?

Comment Re:Chargers for the customers and employees (Score 1) 166

Go back and reread the legal definition of price gouging.

We are not talking reasonably higher. $5 per kWh plus a $5 connection fee per minute meets the definition of gouging. Electricity is a fungible commodity. Their electrons are no different from Tesla's, Ionna's, or Walmart's. There are tons of public chargers for comparison of reasonableness. It's fine if they want to set a price differential for their business customers, but simply gouging the rest of the public is (generally) illegal.

Go open a gas station and charge $50 per gallon and you might find the local DA knocking on your door when the first customer complains. Pointing to your price sign and claiming you only charge $2 to your preferred customers won't suddenly make him happy either.

Comment Re:Chargers for the customers and employees (Score 1) 166

Dude. No. Just no. This is a case of a PUBLIC charger price gouging the public. If they don't want to sell to the public... Fine. Then don't. Otherwise it is "Charging the consumer a price that is grossly in excess of the price at which similar property or services are sold" which is illegal in many states no matter if it is clearly marked.

Comment Re:EV Charging Needs an "Are You Sure?" Price Chec (Score 1) 166

It's not an EVGo charger. It's a Chargepoint charger that the car owner accessed via a roaming agreement in the EVGo app. This is made clear in TFA.

But I wonder if the dealership is received some kind of credit for having a "public" charger, while discouraging the public from actually using it via the outrageous pricing.

Thanks for the correction. Chargepoint and AmpUp specifically use the business model of setting up public L2 chargers and taking a cut of the revenue while letting the "owner" set the price. I avoid them because there are too many that appear to be set up be opportunistic grifters. I had never heard of anything as egregious as this one though.

I have never been to any EVGO branded stations and there are none close to me. It sounds like they are more DCFC than L2. They look more like a legitimate company.

Comment Re:Chargers for the customers and employees (Score 1) 166

An EV infrastructure company that installs and maintains a charger is likely to charge more for its services if the client company wants to keep it private. The "roaming agreement" allows the client to cover costs for changing prices of electricity tariffs and make a profit, not just to gouge the wrong sort of customers. This is a clear case of the dealership being assholes.

Comment Re:EV Charging Needs an "Are You Sure?" Price Chec (Score 1) 166

If the dealer doesn't want random EV drivers using it, the network should be able to mark it as private or customer-only. A $5/kWh + $5/minute "deterrent" is a pretty lousy substitute for accurate access information.

Being public is the price to be paid for having EVGO install and maintain an EV charger. They want all the benefits of someone else taking care of it but not the responsibilities that come along.

Comment Re:It's a car dealership (Score 1) 166

No it's more like complaining about $20 hot dogs from a corporate canteen while the employees get it for free.

You don't expect a street vendor on Yelp to be in a random business's parking lot. But in any case the charger listed the fee on the screen, it's up to you to walk away when the fee is displayed.

Except nearly every public charger is in some random business's parking lot. You are doubling down on excusing these dickheads for gouging the public.

Comment Re:Chargers for the customers and employees (Score 1) 166

Car dealership ran by piece of shit.

No. A business has every right to put an EV charger outside for THEIR customers. For example a restaurant or a store. An employer putting up chargers for its employees. However such a charger should be plainly identified as such with its signage, that it is for customers or employees not the public at large. Costco gas pumps need to see a Costco membership before pumping. EV chargers could do something similar to restrict to customers or employees.

They are pieces of shit. If they want a private charger, they should install their own private charger like I did and manage it themselves like I do. They want a public charger installed, maintained, managed and listed by a public charger company but want to keep the public out. They want all the benefits of someone else installing and taking care of the charger but none of the responsibility that comes with it. This absolutely makes them pieces of shit. As I said in an earlier post, this might have been enough to trigger anti-gouging laws in my state and gotten them into deep legal trouble.

Comment Re:News Flash (Score 3) 166

This is not assholes, this is actually quite normal. It allows people access to quick power in an emergency. It allows companies to get infrastructure installed for their own purposes. And it allows the use of large companies like EVGo's expertise for quick install.

This is most certainly asshole behavior. They willingly agreed to accept the condition of being a publicly available charger in exchange for EVGO network installing, maintaining and managing billing for their charger. Then they set billing prices high enough to make a single charge cost $400+? They want the benefits of EVGO's network without any of the liabilities.

My state has prosecuted gas station owners for jacking up prices during crisis events with less cost impact. Our local DA would probably investigate this kind of thing if it went viral around here. This is textbook asshole behavior.

Comment Who wrote the report, ChatGPT? (Score 1) 139

The world is expected to add another 2 billion people from 2025 to 2060, increasing global population from around 8 billion to around 10 billion... "Over one-half of that growth (1.148 billion) is projected to come from an increase in the population aged 65 and over,"

How the hell does that happen? Are people born already age 65 plus?

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