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Comment Re:"Police found Purinton 80 miles away at Applebe (Score 2) 688

Keep going. There's more:

a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock

b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

: any one of the groups that human beings can be divided into based on shared distinctive physical traits

2: a group of individuals who share a common culture or history

3: a major group of living things

These are all from the very same page you linked. If you're going to use a dictionary to slap someone down, make sure you understand every way the dictionary says the word can be used. Not just the one that suits you.

Comment Re:American fasting diet? (Score 3, Informative) 144

Hell.. 1000 calories is nothing like fasting.. you can easily live on that 365 days a year..

Baseline for zero activity adult patients is 1800 calories per day. This assumes a hospitalized patient in bed all day. 1000 calories is just over half of what you need so it IS "fasting" even if it's not "starvation". You can NOT survive 365 days a year on 1000 calories per day.

Comment Re:Can't sue cops *personally* for requesting ID (Score 1) 154

If the person is not on police property?
How far back is that "in bushes" or "across" zone? A street, a few streets? One block? Given a zoom on a better quality video camera?
Does a person need to be in the bushes? What if they are smart and are not really hiding? Standing next to a tree? Walking near a tree that they could hide behind later? Member of the press looking for the bush where the person got handcuffed? A tourist? A member of the public? Another First Amendment audit near the bushes after what happened to the last person with a camera in that area?
Is the bush on public or private land? Is everyone near that bush stopped? Just some people? Or only people with a camera?
Most police just follow a person back to their car or home and get their ID that way :)
If the police don't want cameras then do want police have always done. Have a drive in area with two gates. The gate opens to a closed in area, drive in, gate closes. Any camera can only capture what any one walking by can see. A very low cost sally port.

After the city keeps on going to court, the supervisor will have to have a meeting about how people can still wonder around in public with a camera.
The cheap option for the city is to send out a person to talk to and photograph interesting person hiding/in the bushes. Use the facial recognition and see how the person hiding responds to been talked, confronted to and been photographed.
No uniform, no police ID, no handcuffing. Just a talking and standing in front of the persons camera.
Just two random people with cameras.
The First Amendment audit person, tourist will soon request police help after such an unexpected and very direct interaction with a total stranger.
The resulting need for police interaction will be a very easy way to ID the interesting person.
No expensive rights issues, no handcuffs needed.

Comment Re:No you dont (Score 2) 154

A persons rights cannot be taken.
But if the chat down results in photo ID voluntarily been shown or the dslr/camera been handed over?
If the chat down is loud, direct, friendly, helpful the person on public land might just show ID, stop filming or even hand over their camera.
Been surrounded by mil in uniform, private security and/or local police on public land all suggesting it might be a good time to show ID and to turn off the camera?
That police would like to or want to or need to know who a person with a camera is for their paperwork as they got called out..
The ability to suggest that its now very normal, helpful, good to stop filming and hand over photo ID? Or just give up the media/storage to be a helpful as an investigation could be started..
That line between under arrest, conducting an investigation, talking, been free to go, is having a dslr in public on public land reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime?
Another attempt is to suggest press ID, local police press ID gives permission to film in that area or city... that all land in the state is state property and not really public land :)
That very special permission is always needed to film "on" a mil base. "In" a court building due to informants or people in jail... or due to under cover officers..
Anything to keep the conversation going and the person speaking about their rights...
The hope is the person will then show photo ID just to have the ability to walk away after such creative talking points.

Comment Re:No you dont (Score 5, Interesting) 154

You have the right to film from public land.
Police will try a few mind tricks at the more interesting sites. Courts, mil base, vital infrastructure, jails, prisons will usually create a chat down event.
A demand, request for photo ID and the reason for walking on public and, having a camera on public land.. .
Anything from a friendly request to "help" with the paperwork, a request to give a name, to a direct almost legal sounding demand for photo id.
Other chat down methods are Who are you working for, Will this be on the net, under what account... Do you have police press ID?
Mil, contractors and private security will often try the same with "chat downs" about been near their site. Still on public land but they have some "power" to ask who a person is well beyond their fence line...
That the jail, base, court "extends" out onto public land past any fence, sign and that the ability to film from public land is not allowed is often attempted.
The other trick is to let the person have their "rights" and follow them back to their car and get the plate and id..
Other more direct methods is the undercover talking point. Not to show faces.
Or a federal official with no ID or uniform might grab a camera to induce local police to be called. To report the crime a name will have to be given.
The crime will be reported but later FOIA will never ID the person who reached out for the camera.
A lot of chat down ways around a lack of clear Stop and identify statutes.

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