Go ahead and explain why should some, those with the capacity to produce be supporting others, who do not have that capacity? Just try not to use 'they will kill you and take your stuff' argument, USSR tried it, fell apart, more importantly those with the capacity to produce also do have (and will have more) capacity to protect themselves. Animals that cannot feed themselves die off, that is the nature of things. Of course they can try and steal, that is expected. Of course those, who have something of value will protect themselves, that is also the nature of things. But to feed and to shelter and to entertain your would be assailants because they want what you have? That IS perversion. I suppose *some* level of voluntary charity always existed and will exist in the future, however beyond some voluntary charity and beyond the threat of violence what else do you actually think is there? Religion? There is no god, religion is a useful political tool to keep the poor at bay (a threat of everlasting violence after death scares a large number of human animals). So what is your idea, why should a newly born person be entitled to the productive output of an existing person?