Lots of page book-keeping, like menus, active page indicators, etc, can be done with CSS.
How do you make a menu appear on click (not on hover) with CSS and without script? Apart from Wacom tablets, I've never used a touch screen that distinguishes a hover from a click.
And isn't smart enough to detect (like many sites already can) that the reason why the user isn't getting "an optimal web experience" is because he's turned javascript off
That's the easy part. a paragraph with a particular class that the first script on the page hides.
and you can't be arsed to tell him how to turn it back on and why he should.
That's the hard part. Each browser has a different menu and dialog structure and thus a different sequence of steps for reenabling script. Without script, how is a web site supposed to detect for which browser to display the instructions, especially if users of different web browsers are behind a single caching proxy?
It's one line in a menu page that is, by default, half empty to start with. wow, such a waste of "valuable screen real estate".
Perhaps the goal is to eliminate that page entirely by merging all items on it into other pages.
Most sites that are unusable without javascript could have easily been coded to be usable. Are drop down menus really so critical?
How do you recommend that users navigate to another subcategory of a web site without script and without multiple large page loads? For example, consider a product category tree that uses script to allow users to expand and collapse categories. I'm open to your suggestions about interaction models that do not involve 1. JavaScript or 2. resending 198 kB of unchanged text just to change 2 KiB.
There's a difference between a document and an application, and I damn well would prefer that difference to remain.
Then what application format would you recommend for an application intended to work on multiple PC, mobile, and set-top operating systems?
What I think most people are upset about (here I go making assumptions) is pages of content that don't need Javascript which are designed to require Javascript for one reason or another — usually either as a means of forcing advertisements on viewers, or because it's easier than doing the same thing in CSS, even though that is completely possible.
That or because CSS can't do certain effects in Internet Explorer pre-9. Until April 2014, you have to support IE 8, and if your market includes certain parts of East Asia, you have to support IE back to 6.
No, that's a pretty HTML view of web browsers. Web browsers aren't "the internet".
Nor are web browsers only HTML. They are also images. They are also CSS. They are also video. And they are also script, so that the difference between a document before a user-requested change and the same document after said change can be transmitted efficiently.
Oh, my, the page refreshed. How awful.
When users' Internet connections are billed by the bit, it costs money to refresh a page once for every user interaction. Satellite and cellular Internet connections are still billed by the bit in 2013.
Sure, I like calendars that are clickable. But I don't have to have them, just let me enter the god damn date and accept several different formats
What's the best practice for parsing "several different formats" on the first try in the server side of a web application? For example, does 3/5/2014 mean 3 May or March 5? What month is "luglio"? The web applications that I have developed take ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) input, and users with script turned on also get a button to show a calendar control in case they do not understand ISO 8601.
it seems that I get far fewer virus infections than many people that just blindly turn it on.
I get a similar effect by just making SWF click-to-play and not browsing pornographic web sites or web sites devoted to sharing infringing copies of proprietary commercial software.
I think the goal of an advertiser is take anything cool and useful and shit all over it.
Would you rather see most web sites end up behind a paywall in order to pay the bills?
As soon as there are laws allowing people to sue for inaccessible websites (and there will be such laws), then this problem will be fixed.
What country are you in? In the United States, companies that do business with the United States Government are subject to Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act. And after a few preliminary rulings, Target pleaded liable in an Americans with Disabilities Act class action: National Federation of the Blind v. Target Corporation .
The web page should not be a stub that loads the article content via JS. The article text should be there already.
Should the article's text be there, or should the article's first section's text be there? Some devices make it painful (in transmission charges, transmission time, or user interface) to load or to read an entire article, instead preferring interaction models that present a section at a time.
Just today I had one web site needing Javascript just to present a fucking list of addresses. Six of them.
I've seen scripts that (attempt to) protect e-mail addresses from spammers' scrapers.
If you don't like what HTML, CSS, etc model and want your stuff to behave like an application... then write a fucking application instead!
Provided that the operating system's publisher will even let a particular developer develop for that operating system. There's a substantial entry barrier to developing an application for iOS, Windows Phone, or the game consoles, and a web application is one way to circumvent this. That and the fact that Chrome OS uses the HTML DOM as its "application" API anyway.
This web2.0 stuff sucks. I want something to keep an all text web around.
Comments to this Slashdot story are text, yet Slashdot allows the user to interact with their presentation. Would you want to have to reload all 459 (textual) comments to this discussion just because you're previewing your own (textual) comment or just because you're collapsing or expanding an existing (textual) comment?
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