In some alternate universe where it was black Africans invading and committing genocides and mass ethnic cleansing in Palestine, the Americas, Australia and New Zealand? Instead of white Europeans?
Yes. Yes I would.
Whatever you thought you might have done in 1930's Germany is what you're doing right now.
And it's very antisemitic of you to pretend Jews == Zionism == Israel.
The alternative to the atomic bombs was a multi island invasion involving literally millions of soldiers on both sides that would have resulted in death on a scale comparable to the great slaughters of Mao, Hitler and Stalin.
Literally a bullshit tautology. Nations agree to stop fighting all the time without an "unconditional surrender." Japan explicitly emulated western colonialist powers like Britain who invaded almost the entire planet to exploit resources for a small island nation.
Who should have nuked London for the over 100 million Indians the Brits killed in India in half a century? Who should have nuked Washington DC for killing a million Filipinos when colonial America seized former colonies from colonial Spain?
Jordan (formerly Transjordan) is the Arab state carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
You say that like it's supposed to mean something. Similar would be the US declaring the state for the Sioux/Iroquois/Mandan to be in Canada or Mexico.
The rest was designated as a Jewish homeland
Which no one had any business doing, as said Jews have no more ties to Palestine than you or I do to a slice of China if we convert to Confucianism. They are Europeans who converted to another religion. No different to how Latin America was (forcibly) converted to Catholicism. Doesn't mean they have a slice of Palestine as that's where Christianity also comes from.
Of course, every other party of the Ottoman Empire except Turkey itself is also now an Arab state.
You also say that like its supposed to mean something. Is it okay if all the Palestinian refugees - millions of them forced out by Israel - invade and cleanse Delaware of Americans because "so many other 49 American states?"
All you have to do to show the absurdity of Zionism by keeping the same reasoning but changing the variables.
In the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, one day after the modern state of Israel was created, it was invaded by the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.
After better part of 750,0000 Palestinians were forced out of their own homes into said neighboring countries. Weird, how you expect "Israel's" neighbors to use their own land and resources to support your colonialism with zero compensation. Almost like you're a racist clown show.
Because it's impossible to write a definition of terrorism that doesn't place the US and Israel as the worst terrorists the world has ever seen, followed by Saudi Arabia.
Shock and Awe? Bush's torture program? Obama's drone fetish - bombing weddings and then bombing responding EMS? Israel bombing TF out of Gaza for a murder in the West Bank?
As multiple people have opined, whatever you're doing right now is exactly what you would have done in Berlin in 1930. you Good German, you.
Sorry you were born at the wrong time and place to have worn these cool uniforms? And have you always hated free speech and non-violent protest, or just when it comes to racist ethnostates?
This is as much nonsense as the Five Eyes all spying on each others citizens and then sharing the ill gotten gains from their intel to get around domestic protections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
See also, "fusion centers" in the US where illegally obtained information is then laundered through local law enforcement. Like this trooper who shadowed and then pulled over and searched a vehicle for going 3mph under the speed limit:
War crimes like launching missiles at civilian areas?
No such thing as a civilian invader. Especially when the invader government mandates military service for Israelis reaching adulthood, and then reservist status until 40 years old.
Everyday for decades? Like those war crimes?
Yes, what Israel does to Palestinians is horrible indeed. Like bombing TF out of Gaza - to which Israelis literally broke out the lawn chairs and beer kegs to watch - for a murder in the West Bank. Or murdering several kids on a beach and then clearing themselves in an internal investigation. Using a severely wounded six year old girl on a cell phone - Israel live monitors all calls in Gaza - to lure in medics who were promptly murdered by the IDF. Two days before Oct 7th, settlers and soldiers attacked a Palestinian village in the illegally occupied West Bank with bullets and tear gas. They murdered a young man. Then, the day before Oct 7th, they again attacked the funeral for the guy they just murdered, again with bullets and tear gas.
But not much better is expected of the racist ethnostate that murdered clearly marked reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, then attacked her funeral procession including the pall bearers carrying her coffin.
Go touch some grass and get some perspective.
You first, Hitler.
Distinction without a difference. There are also buttloads of secular Jews who oppose Zionism, as anyone with a brain or morals does.
Because Zionism is a romantic notion no different from Manifest Destiny, except for the fairy tales used to justify it. But to do it in practice is inherently racist AF and utterly dependent on war, ethnic cleansing and Apartheid to make it happen.
No different from Apartheid South Africa, except no fairy tales and Israel is a thousand times worse.
That's only in the English version.
You say that like it's supposed to mean something.
In the Arab version they
Take it up with the people who created Hamas in the first place: Israel.
make it clear that they want the Levant "free from Jews"
Hamas has zero problem with Jews. Palestine was a peaceful cosmopolitan area for hundreds of years under the Ottomans where a tiny Jewish minority got along just fine with Muslims and Christians.
The problem they actually have is the same problem the Maori, Zulu, Sioux had: racist European invaders killing them and stealing their land. Europeans that have no more claim to the land than if you or I can violently seize a couple homes in China if we convert to Confucianism. Zionism was invented by an atheist, Zionists first looked at making an Israel in Africa or South America before deciding to invade Palestine for a second time according to their own book.
https://www.nbcnews.com/scienc...
That's why we call it ethnic cleansing.
It's not ethnic cleansing when home invaders get kicked out. It's what your home invaders are committing. Openly talking of building luxury real estate on Gaza beaches and trying to bribe Egypt or Congo to take in millions of Palestinians. Millions who will never be allowed to return home, just as millions of Palestinians forced into Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan etc have never been allowed to return after your pogroms.
Nope. I have a Jewish acquaintance; he says he's 100% Jewish but a DNA test shows all but
European Jews are just like Latin American Catholics: they are converts to a religion. It doesn't mean Hondurans/Brazilians/Columbians etc are entitled to a slice of Palestine as it's the birthplace of their religion.
Problem: census data at the end of the Ottoman Empire shows Jews were a very small minority in Palestine. Like 2-5% small. Just as a percentage of population there were more gay people in Palestine pre-Nakba as Jews indigenous to the area.
And it's not about Islam, either. If you've seen the interview Tucker Carlson recently did you need to watch it. Palestinian Christians have also been subjected to ethnic cleansing from Zionists from Europe, and Israel has bombed some of the oldest Christian churches in the world. With refugees inside.
Israel is a colonizer Apartheid state just like South Africa. And yes, DNA and genealogical records back that up.
Gaza is the world's largest open air prison. The majority of residents there are refugees, descendants of the 750,000 people who were marched from their homes & off their land at gunpoint in 1948.
Not just 1948. Since prime minister Sharon forced settlers out of Gaza (to prevent Palestinians there from ever voting) a million and half Palestinians have been forced out of West Bank or other occupied territories into said open air prison. Which supporters of this ethnostae pretend means Palestinians are breeding like ferrets on a diet of estacy and crack.
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