New Mozilla, Corel, and Napster Releases 207
Everybody and his sister seems to have submitted at least one of these links: First, Mozilla build M11 is out. Go for it! Check this Mozilla.org page for details. Second, there's a Linux port out for Napster. We already mentioned it earlier here, but apparently a lot of people missed the reference. Go get it already. And third, Corel Linux is now available - if you can handle a 311 MB. If you can't burn a CD, compile your kernel with loopback support and try 'mount -t iso9660 -o loop 6.1-i386.iso /mnt/cdrom'
Anyone tried Corel Linux (Score:1)
loopback (Score:1)
Go mozilla! (Score:1)
Yeah, it crashes. It's still buggy. But if I'm going to use software that crashes all the time, I reckon I might as well do so while serving the public.
Is this another anti-netscape post? I prefer to think of it as a pro-mozilla post.
Not for everyone... (Score:1)
Kudos to Corel, but where are the mirrors? (Score:1)
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You can mount the ISO file and install (Score:2)
So close... (Score:1)
Each mozilla release is more painful than the last. What I mean is that each one gets that much closer to being usable for my everyday browsing and e-mail/news needs. So close, I can almost taste it.
Re:Kudos to Corel, but where are the mirrors? (Score:1)
Mounting diskimages (Score:1)
mount newCDimage /mnt -t iso9660 -o loop
Works on *my* linux box. :)
Re:loopback (Score:1)
Could Some one mirror.... (Score:1)
Thanks
Re:You can mount the ISO file and install (Score:2)
losetup
mount -t iso9660
... use it
umount
losetup -d
Re:Not for everyone... (Score:1)
He's having a go at the libraries now!
opening isos under win32 or mac (Score:1)
It is very helpful to be able to opne that iso under win32.
Winimage is one way to do that.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvolla
Then you can extract all the files out and being an alternative install. Not that i know that you can do an ftp install for Corel Linux.
Does ne1 have a link or 2 to the reviews of Corel Linux?
Hold on a second... (Score:1)
- On Linux systems that use glibc 2.0 (such as RedHat 5.2), there are problems with dl functions (dlopen(), dlsym()) not being thread safe. This might cause your M11 build to randomly crash at startup. If this happens to you, try running the application a few more times. The bits posted on ftp.mozilla.org are built on RedHat 6.0, which uses glibc 2.1 and does not have this problem. For more details, see bug 8849.
Which sounds to me like it might work. I'm trying it out anywayRe:Whoa... (Score:1)
Dumb Mozilla Question (Score:1)
What the heck is a Profile?
Are profiles user-specific? Non user-specific? A species of rare tropical bird? All sorts of stuff says "thus and such profile bug/feature exists" but none seems to say, "hey, you moron, a profile is an endangered species of fungus native to northern Tasmania" (or whatever a profile is).
Moron as always,
--G
Napster Security? (Score:2)
JM
Calling (GP)L experts... (Score:4)
In particular, note these extracts:
1. Corel LINUX is a modular operating system made up of individual software components that were created by various individuals and entities ("Software Programs"). Many of the Software Programs included in Corel LINUX are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License ("GPL") and other similar license agreements which permit You to copy, modify and redistribute the Software Programs
So that's the definition of a "Software Program". Now what about:
B. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS:
All right, title and interest in the Software Programs, including source code, documentation, appearance, structure and organization, are held by Corel Corporation, Corel Corporation Limited, and others and are protected by copyright and other laws.
Is that actually in keeping with the GPL?
On a totally separate thread, does anyone know what the equivalent mechanism to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is going to be, in particular, how the currently-in-development distribution is going to be mirrored, etc? Or is it all going to be relatively "stuck" stationary like RedHat / SuSE etc? (I mean, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 is very discrete. The above apt command isn't as discrete at all.)
Re:Whoa... (Score:1)
It's just buried throughout the the FTP server.
Mozilla looking good.. (Score:2)
However, it's still heavy in the bloat department like it's predecessor :\ I don't wanta mail reader in my web browser, or a web page editor, or anything else but a web browser. If the source is open enough, perhaps those "features" can be excised and save me precious hard drive space and RAM.
Just my first impressions..being posted from Mozilla itself.
Biggest problems with Mozilla (Score:2)
The ISO file... (Score:1)
Easy way to burn your ISO's in Linux! (Score:1)
http://moses.penguinpowered.com/projects/burnis
You need Perl and Perl/Tk as well as the appropriate CDR software. I have documentation on how to set up the kernel and everything!
This is GREAT ! (Score:1)
Re:[not a] Dumb Mozilla Question (Score:1)
Wintel machines (I'm not sure about Macs) can set up "user profiles" so multiple users of the machine can have their own settings without installing a new copy of netscape. Each profile has independent user preferences (all of them) and bookmarks.
Netscape also has a feature called "roaming profiles" that allows user settings to be kept in sync on an LDAP server or on a web server. I personally use the roaming profiles with my linux boxes at home and the wintel/linux machines at work. It's damned handy.
A quick search at developer.netscape.com [netscape.com] outghtta turn up something more descriptive...
Re:Kudos to Corel, but where are the mirrors? (Score:1)
CNET: One ftp site so far.
Tucows: One ftp site so far.
Well...
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Watch out, it's not for the youngins!!! (Score:3)
TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET OUT IN THE LICENSE BELOW. DOWNLOADING AND/OR USING THE
PRODUCT WILL BE AN IRREVOCABLE ACCEPTANCE OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE
LICENSE.
Guess we gotta keep those kiddies away from Linux, it's worse than crack
mozilla crashed on me... (Score:1)
The page draws itself up and then Dr Watson pops up.
viewer.exe runs perfectly.
email: 3->e
First look on Corel Linux (Score:5)
The installation is quite good. It automatically detected all my hardware (ok I've got a simple machine : voodoo banshee, ne2000 pci clone ide hd). Then the graphical installer asked me for a user login name, good point. After that I had to choose between some premade configurations, like destop/server/custom). I choosed custom. With this option I had the possibility to choose to install any package of the distribution. I choosed almost all of them and went to the next step.
Now I had to choose on what partition I wanted to install, an ext2 one or a windows/dos partion. Good choice for beginners. Of course I installed on an ext2 one. The graphical fdisk is good and easy to use, but it seemed a little buggy for the free space calculation (eg it said 125 meg free but I could only create a 110 meg swap partition).
After that is the rather long and boring package installation. No problem with it except the mouse cursor was rather slow and jumpy during this process , not good for a first timer thinking linux is a true multitasking os (I know it is, it must be because the installation is using the framebuffer I think).
Then I was asked to reboot, no question asked about the boot loader or anything else, bad point here.
After the reboot, quite a shock, the OS loader is not LILO but a rather nice graphical (320x200) menu with an animated disk on the lower right corner. I can choose between corel linux and some expert/safe mode. I can also choose windows and dos. This is good for non linux users, but I have 4 different linux installs at home for testing and of course none were found so I had to reinstall lilo (I'm pretty sure I could have changed the configuration of the boot manager but I had no time for it).
The first time I choosed corel linux, and this was quite a shock : No boot messages ! The OS loader stays "on top" of the text and I did not find the way to get rid of it (of course choosing expert mode won't show this screen). This is very windowish and a rather bad point for any serious linux user. A rather strange thing is that the first time it booted, it fscked the partition so it took a loooong time and I had no idea what was happening (the loader writes some text like loading linux/check partitions and so on).
then kdm was launched. A rather standard kdm, ala NT. I was able to choose between root and the user I had created. I logged in as a normal user to get on a almost standard KDE screen, with some new icons.
There are of course some great novelties, like the file manager, windows share browsers and other great program but everything looks so muck like windows that it made me want to puke. I know KDE is really windows like, but with the corel extensions they took this idea to the extreme. You can even share a directoy by clicking on properties in the context menu, exactly like NT !
Of course it's rather impressive and nice for a former windows user but I think some originality would have been a good idea.
Here is the worst point : I did not find a way to configure my french keyboard "globally" for the console and X. The only way I found was to choose an international keyboard for each user I created. Really bad point here corel.
One other thing to note is that there is no translation in the things corel added to kde so it's one other bad point. It's really strange to get windows half in franch half in english. They should have killed all other langages so no one would have complained.
So even if corel did an incredible job developping some excellent tools and programs, I think the distribution is way too windows like and not for non english people. Too bad, hopefully this will be corrected in 1.1 !
In conclusion if you are already a linux user, this is not for you. But for a windows user this may be a good way to start using linux.
Btw a friend of mine was not even able to start the installation, it simply rebooted at the hardware check.
J-F Mammet
webmaster@softgallery.com
Re:mozilla crashed on me... (Score:1)
Re:Calling (GP)L experts... (Score:2)
"The importance of using technology in the right way has never been more clear." [microsoft.com]
Re:Dumb Mozilla Question (Score:2)
Anyways profiles are just specific configurations for each user, such as your email information and display settings for Netscape/Mozilla.
Re:Watch out, it's not for the youngins!!! (Score:1)
To be a dull, pragmatic reply to what was meant to be a humorous post, I'm sure this is because minors (in the US...hmmm...) can't agree to contracts such as license agreements.
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:1)
last week or so, and it looks amazing. The only
problem I have with it now is the fact that you
can't link mime types to launch applications
yet. So, for my streaming MP3 addiction I still
have to use Netscape, but for everything else
I've been using Mozilla. It's really quite
stable and looks SO much better than Netscape.
I love the blue/grey theme.
linux napster (Score:1)
As long as the author of it does not use the original napster protocal client code, it is perfectly legal to produce, and make the code open. Not doing so is merely an excuse to attempt to hinder competition.
Napster for windows is -incredibly- bug ridden, and the linux one isn't much better. The author not making it opensource just makes no sense, if he doesn't make it opensource, someone else will make a client and will, and guess which one will develop FAR faster and be more popular? And guess who attempted to hinder competition and shot themselves in the foot.
It's an ok start, but it will soon be passed by another client if it isn't made opensource.
Re:Calling (GP)L experts... (Score:1)
Re:mozilla release in response to slashdot article (Score:2)
And you will see that they work on a release till they get all the features they want in it. Start working on the next release, continue to fix bugs on the previous till they reach a point where they think they have all the new features fairly stable. Then they release it.
About Full Circle? (Score:4)
That is pretty cool, but is it safe? Also, does that mean when I find a bug, I don't need to report it? It is reported automatically?
Anyone have any more info, or pointers to info?
Re:linux napster (Score:2)
Re:You can mount the ISO file and install (Score:2)
Had a brief look at it this morning (GMT). It's pretty slick, but I think the install is too simple. It leaves out things which I think should be available.
Napster vs. Real (Score:2)
Napster takes a list of MP3 files on my hard drive, uploads the list to a server, and sets other users out downloading those files, and it's a must have.
Real networks takes a list of music-specific data files on my hard drive, and uploads the list to a server, along with some other access data, and they're a villain.
And the only difference between them is (a) Slashdot's word that I should download Napster, and (b) some legaleze in the license or usage agreements.
Re:You can mount the ISO file and install (Score:2)
Or, if you don't want to worry about loop-device allocation:
mount -t iso9660 -o loop [file] [mnt-pnt]
You might also want to avoid mounting on '/mnt', as subdirs (such as '/mnt/floppy') are used by many distros.
SlashMirror has Corel ISO (Score:2)
ftp://128.253.254.56/corellinux-oc_1.0.iso [128.253.254.56]
SlashMirror: Where to put files for fellow /.'ers
Re:loopback (Score:1)
Chris
Re:Go mozilla! (Score:2)
Good work mozilla team! Keep it up and you may run the world yet!
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Re:linux napster (Score:2)
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:2)
And that's exactly what you get. Read the interviews off mozillazine.org and you'll discover that the editor and mail/news are simply XUL and XPCom layers that are dynamically loaded as and when needed. If somebody wanted to they could easily ship this browser without those features at all - simply modify the XUL files to have no "mail" button and remove the dso from the download.
Having said all that - currently I find Mozilla slow. Real slow. Try it on a slower machine (133Mhz +64Mb ram machine here) and it's unbearable. I know they'll improve this - I just hope it's enough.
Corel is making me money!! (Score:2)
Yippee!
LL
Re:Whoa... (Score:1)
I can't, however, actually get on and have a look as their ftp server is maxed out at the moment.
Re:Dumb Mozilla Question (Score:1)
the thing is, those docs said that the Unix versions of Netscape do not contain the profile feature, and if you want to make a different user profile, you should create a new user account. That seems like the logical way to do it, since the profile is basically a replacement for the multi-user concept that is fundamentally built in to Unix and completely absent (well, sometimes superficially present) from Windows and Mac.
So I would think this would not be a feature Mozilla would want to include in their Linux version, because apparently it is introducing bugs, and it's redundant with (and worse than) the normal Linux multi-user system.
Of course, it's possible that they are just including it because it doesn't fit their development model right now to be doing different things for different OSes.
I noticed a post above complaining about the continued inclusion of email and editor features. Perhaps once this thing is done, someone will take the time (maybe not too tough, and maybe already the plan) to go through the code and chop out all the extra stuff like mail and composer and profiles and make a nice sleek browser. I'm afraid my hacking skills are not adequate, but the person who did such a thing would certainly earn my admiration.
Wow, Mozilla is slow (Score:1)
Simple suggestion for Mozilla M-releases... (Score:1)
It might be an idea to make a 'user' build. The last time I tried running moz, under windoze I might add, the biggest cause of lag was the debug messages being sent to the console. Wouldn't it be an idea to do a build with these disabled so that the current 'real-world-user' view of performance can be looked at? (This would also go a way to stopping all those (it's SLOW) trolls :-)
John
Re:Napster Security? (Score:1)
Also a tip for new modem users of this. If you set your bandwidth to 14.4 it won't affect your D/L speed, but folks will definately look for faster sites with the same files before D/L'ing yours...Also set one folder with like 2-3 mp3's so that folks won't see your secret stash. I know it's cruel/lame whatever, but so is having to use the phone and cutting them off mid-download.
mcrandello@my-deja.com
rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
Re:Go mozilla! (Score:1)
Mozilla: rendering problems still? (Score:2)
I've got a fair amount of tables on my page [wiw.org]; I've recently been checking to see how Mozilla renders it.. somewhat akin to the acid test page.
Now, the page itself is pretty much 4.0 compliant, albeit somewhat complex; the W3 validator [w3.org] bitches about ampersands in CGI URIs, so there's nothing I can do about that. In any case...
In MSIE and NS current versions, the page looks pretty much like I'd expect it to. There are minor variations, nothing of great concern.
Now, in M10, The grey box in the middle was shrunken, sorta pushed over to the left a little bit. OK, not exactly what I wanted, but not horrid. In M11, however, the grey box gets shoved waaay over to the right, running into other tables.
Thus, on first glance, it appears that something, in one of the milestones, is wrong. I understand that my page might not be really simple, that's an aside, and I will deal with it later. My concern is that the two milestones rendered the page differently. For the longest time, I've heard that Mozilla is (as in, yes, currently, right now) fully 4.0/CSS1/whatever else compliant. However, such observations have me wondering otherwise....? Could someone clarify?
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:2)
There are currently some major performance issues that are being working on. They will be fixed before final release. One of the biggest is this bug here [mozilla.org]. If you want a faster and more responsive browser whilst downloading pages, go and vote [mozilla.org] for this bug now.
Re:Calling (GP)L experts... (Score:2)
This mechanism is very important to be able to legally ensure that nobody misuses GPLed code.
Chilli
Re:linux napster (Score:1)
mcrandello@my-deja.com
rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
Re:This is GREAT ! (Score:1)
The password remembering feature is a good thing??
Moz M11 is nice otherwise
Re:Mozilla: rendering problems still? (Score:1)
Re:Napster Security? (Score:2)
Indeed. Given the track record of things like the Windows ICQ client and the RealPlayer, you should be cautious about downloading the latest and greatest binary-only client for some closed protocol.
You could probably run the client chroot()ed to a directory containing only MP3s, and as the user nobody. FreeBSD 4.0 (which AFAIK is a development version) has a jail() [freebsd.org] system call which might be appropriate.
Re:Napster vs. Real (Score:1)
mcrandello@my-deja.com
rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
Re:About Full Circle? (Score:2)
Re:Mozilla: rendering problems still? (Score:1)
There is something you can do. If you want to link to a URL like:
http://host/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=quux
http://host/script.cgi?foo=bar&baz=quux
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:1)
~luge
Corel Public License (Score:2)
It looks like the Corel additions are all under the "Corel Public License" or "CPL", which is exactly the same the the Mozilla license with Corel replacing references to Mozilla and Netscape.
Re:Mozilla: rendering problems (Score:1)
If Napster is so terribly insecure... (Score:2)
I played with it for one second and got this.
# telnet 127.0.0.1 6699
1
Press all the keys I tried, and after one keystroke, it says INVALID REQUEST. Don't press anything for 10-15 seconds, it drops the onnection.
It shouldn't be too hard to figure out what keystroke is not invalid.
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Re:linux napster (Score:1)
Re:Proxy question (Score:1)
Re:Kudos to Corel, but where are the mirrors? (Score:1)
See my point?
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will corel work on the athlon? (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:1)
Re:linux napster (Score:1)
Re:Watch out, it's not for the youngins!!! (Score:1)
I think Corel is doing some really good things towards increasing acceptance of Linux. However, I think they need to get legal and financial staff that aren't so anal retentive.
One of the joys of Linux is not having to sweat the details of different license agreements. That's one of the reasons we are often chossing Linux over Digital Unix and Solaris where I work. I realize that many people are really tired of hearing Linux users complain about license agreements. But I think Corel would be better off - financially and legally, if they would just GPL this stuff.
Decoupled Corel Suite & Distribution (Score:1)
Napster is a step in the wrong direction (Score:1)
Re:Go mozilla! (Score:2)
Second, why does this "real estate hogging intrusion of my space" come up by default? (Insert-> I'm turning into an old fart disclaimer) Whatever happened to designing a clean interface??? Why why why can't you give me a nice clean interface. I just wanna plug in a url and go to a website. I just want a nice big box for that page to load up in. I don't want panels, I don't want channels, (Insert-> cryptic Dr. Seuss reference for other old farts) I don't want green eggs and ham. Can somebody, for the love of God please help me.
Otherwise it is starting to look pretty good
Additional Comments (Score:3)
I also checked out some of the screenshots from the article that is linked in this story, and they seem extremely windowish. Right down to the file manager, whose toplevel entry is "My Linux" (apparently a modification of "My Computer" in windows)
I can understand their desire to appeal to a certain segment of the market, and I think that they're doing just that. But I don't think I'd use it personally because of that. I didn't stop using windows just because I didn't think it was a stable OS (although that was one of the reasons) I stopped using it also because I thought the UI was boring and unimaginative. Look at X, and linux, and you have 2.0E50 choices for how you want to interact graphically with your machine. I would hate to go back to the same old UI after going through the linux learning curve.
Points to them though for making the install easier, and for making linux friendly to new people. I just hope that they don't make it so windowish over time that it loses its soul as a UNIX. That kind of worry is probably premature at this point, but I still wonder.
Seems to me though that another free software distribution stepping to the plate though means one thing - more choice. That's another reason why I'm in linux in the first place too. (Even if I don't plan on using it, I still like the fact that the choice is there)
Re:This is GREAT ! (Score:1)
it popped up a little thing "Do you want to remember this password?" or some such.
Re:Napster vs. Real (Score:1)
A better idea would be to provide you an opportunity to build the catalog you want to expose yourself. Also, you as the "host" maintainer, do not have the option to control who connects to your PC and you don't even have the option of disconnecting currently connected users when you close down Napster. And the consent to this is not made clear anywhere in their install process except in their license agreement.
For it's part, I don't defend RealNetworks abhorrent actions. But, I must admit that installing Napster imposes the same "read the legalese" mentality that Real is using as their defense.
What a nightmare (Score:1)
went fine, I rebooted and the sys hung. Thinking that the active partition might not have been set, I went to fdisk and to my surprise I found 2 active partitions on my hard drive (weird). I set it to Corel's partition and rebooted. I was going to nowheres' vill fast. The sys hung once again. I got fed up deleted the partitions and decided to reload redhat on my sys. When I got to disk druid it would not allow me to create any partitions. It said that I did not have enough space, even though it was reporting 2Gigs free (weird). Thinking that there must be an invisible partition hogging the space I booted up the old PQ-Magic and to my stunning surprise I was informed that I had an invalid partition table. Oh goody, time to wip out the old norton diskedit. I thought Corel was supposed to be an easy install. I don't know about you but I think I'll stick to my old distro.
DAN
Re:loopback (Score:1)
M.
Build it. (Score:1)
Re:Easy way to burn your ISO's in Linux! (Score:1)
You must be on Windows (Score:2)
Also appears quite stable.
But then I'm running Linux. I assume from your ``IE4 on the same hardware'' comment that you're running under Windows. But then everything runs like a dog under Windows
Chris Wareham
Re:First look on Corel Linux (Score:3)
1) Corel did exactly the right thing. (Except for non-English support, which is correctable.)
2) I likely won't install Corel Linux myself.
Those two things aren't contradictory. Corel is trying to go after the Windows market. It sounds like they did exactly what they needed to do to go after the average nontechnical Windows user. This is very good for them, and, I think, very good if you want to see Linux on the desktop. However, this does not mean that this is a distribution for your or I or pretty much anyone who reads
That's the advantage of the Linux model. Choice.
Probably most of the people who install Corel Linux (assuming the marketting is appropriate) will never care anything about what's underneath, and will see it merely as a cheaper, more stable system that does what Windows does. That's ok. Grandma doesn't want to know what a tarball is. And perhaps a small percentage will eventually want to dig under the covers.
Re:This is GREAT ! (Score:1)
No contracts with minors (Score:3)
It's quite a dilemna; if they include components that have licensing agreements that require some degree of consent on the part of the user, they require an "adult's" consent.
It is particularly a problem for software that requires something like unto the "dastardly" MSFT EULA; it is less of an issue with Free Software, but even there, there is some need to be able to enforce the terms of GPL, XFree86 License, and other such licenses, and that can certainly be problematic for the young'uns.
A more pointed question, that isn't directly relevant to this particular situation:
The fact that we might like the answer to be yes does not necessarily make it so...
Re:Proxy question (Score:1)
Mozilla still not up to speed (Score:1)
I have had problems with netscape not rendering my tables properly with img's as backgrounds to individual cells. Unill we can implement the code properly we will continue to loose the browser war.
Re:They have got the idea (Score:1)
Re:Mozilla looking good.. (Score:2)
I think it goes deeper than that. My thoughts are that it has to do with the UI marshalling code, but I really don't know enough about it.
Don't troll (Score:2)
Re:About Full Circle? (Score:2)
While I don't know too much about Full Circle, I know that it isn't going to give the kind of bug report you could contribute. Information like what you were doing at the time, what machine configuration you've got and whether the bug is reproducable is critical to debugging it.
As another respondant mentioned, many Mozilla bugs will not crash the program and trigger the Talkback.
So browse the bugzilla website [mozilla.com]. Learn how to use Bugzilla. Snag a nightly build and bang on it.
I finally did. I'd been going for months with Mozilla crashing one of my computers. Well, with the problem not getting any better I started digging through Bugzilla, found others reporting the same bug and someone had a possible solution. I tried something similar (having to do with Java Runtime Environment) and it works now. So, while there is still some kind of bug, we've got two of us reporting into Bugzilla a solution. That gives the hardcore developers some clues, something to follow.
Re:Decoupled Corel Suite & Distribution (Score:2)
Don't be too concerned. (Score:2)
Go for it, I say.
- A.P.
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"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad
Re:So close... (Score:2)
Zontar The Mindless,
Look under the bridge ... it's empty (Score:2)
Chris Wareham