Plasma: The Next-Generation KDE Environment Review 240
slashy writes, "MadPenguin has taken a quick look at Plasma, the next gen. KDE environment. 'Plasma is an ambitious project being pursued by the KDE 4 team which aims at providing a workflow-sensitive design of the user interface that improves productivity of an average KDE user. The focus is on improving the clarity and reducing the clutter present in today's desktops. The plasma development will bring together key contributors, such as the visual artists, usability experts, technology experts, programmers, and enthusiasts at a very early stage during the development process. This will enable them to create a new desktop environment that meets the requirements of novices and experts alike.'"
Reducing clutter (Score:4, Insightful)
Having said that, I have found that most people will clutter their desktops regardless of what the software tries to do. Remember XP's desktop cleanup wizard, which attempted to help people remove things from their desktops that they didn't use often? I still see the majority of people with hundreds of icons and files haphazardly arranged. When I helped my friend migrate to Linux, it only took him a week to turn KDE into an icon pile. Add Firefox into the mix, which drops downloads onto the desktop by default, and the battle is completely lost.
A quick look? (Score:5, Insightful)
Useful content: 1%
Like the "Buy a Link Now" on the article itself... I think someone just bought themselves a link from Slashdot.
Re:Reducing clutter (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:New Project - Redo X-Windows (Score:1, Insightful)
the grass is always greener (Score:4, Insightful)
I fall into the former. I think it's a pain when you see some cool feature or eyecandy or whatever appearing in the desktop environment you aren't using... but it isn't enough to make you totally switch your current desktop. And just when you do go and switch, your old environment will come out with some sweet feature and you're back to square one.
i realize it's a complicated issue, and neither KDE nor Gnome is about to fold and allow the other to take precidence... but I still look forward to the day when everyone is working towards a common goal, and when a new user interface element is implemented, everybody can benefit from it.
...an icon pile? (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought the whole idea of personal computers was to allow people to work they way they wanted to?
You may like clean desktops while others like cluttered desktops.
Let's start a holy war over how many icons can dance on a screen.
Re:New Project - Redo X-Windows (Score:5, Insightful)
Care to point out some deficiency in the X codebase?
Workflow-sensitive? (Score:4, Insightful)
Sheesh, have we learned nothing from Microsoft? Having the computer decide what things a user can interact with and how the user can interact with them based on a set of hidden, unchangeable rules is counter-productive at best; at times, it can be murderous-rage inducing.
How about we actually help people become better-organized by, oh, I don't know...teaching them some useful organizational skills?!
Re:the grass is always greener (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is, when your working on a huge monolithic project like that, people really don't work together. There are arguments and disagreements. Energetical people with radical, new ideas will encounter old farts who want to do things the old way, become disenfranchised and give up. Productive old workhorses will be frustrated by young upstarts trying to pull them in 100 different directions at once, selling a bad idea from 10 years ago as the latest, greatest idea. The project will proceed on the lowest common denominator, implementing vanilla ideas that are promoted simply because nobody could find a reason to reject them.
Would you like it if Apple and MS got together to make a unified desktop? Don't you think that the bureaucracy and organizational overhead would stymie the project and ultimately water down the end result?
Instead of waste and duplication, think of it as parallel development teams, developing, implementing, and polishing the latest new ideas as a presentation to the larger mindshare market. Those ideas might need to re-developed or re-implemented, or they may be ready to be included in larger projects, like KDE or Gnome. It's a very effective and efficient way to harness human motivation and inspiration and deliver new ideas to the masses.
Re:Reducing clutter (Score:4, Insightful)
Just putting everything in your home folder
Of course, it's nice to have multiple desktops, so when you're working on a different task you can just go to a different desk.
Hmm.. doesn't seem like you can change the Mac's desktop on the fly.
Re:the grass is always greener (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm serious. Now and then I install one or the other in a VM in my XP box, set to the same resolution as XP itself, and watch the state of the default menus, menu items distance, drop-downs, font sizes etc. For some reason I can't grasp, they're always bigger and more wastefull than what Microsoft made with XP. And as a result, I always feel my CRT had just lost one or two inches.
I wonder whether you all who use these system feel the same thing, but in reverse, with XP's screen objects seen as too small.
PS.: I've never tried MacOS, but that bar of big buttons I see in screenshots spells trouble for me. But if those who use it love it so much, then I guess that either my CRT is too small, I'm a screen-space maniac, or both. Who knows?
Re:Reducing clutter (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:A quick look? (Score:4, Insightful)
I can honestly say I like BOTH gnome and KDE. I prefer to work in gnome but KDE is prettier and frankly more fun.
With KDE I created a totally useless script that pulls down a few images from some websites using wget. I then set the KDE desktop to use a slide show background. So now have a wall paper that rotates through two hi resolution webcam shots of a local beach and the weather radar.
Like I said fun but useless. To get Gnome to do the same I am thinking of writing a desklet.
Re:Reducing clutter (Score:3, Insightful)
It is possible to change the default download directory rather easily... and there are extensions which help you filter and sort downloads so you can send .mp3 to ~/music, .mpg to ~/video and .doc to ~/trash.
AFAIK downloading everything to desktop by default is a feature, not a bug: most users download something, then get confused as to where the bloody thing went. This way, they only have to search their desktop.
Therefore, no initial setup is required... do it after installing; you know where to find it, and you don't confuse the (l)users with complexities.
OS covers.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:the grass is always greener (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyways, it's trivial in most distros to install and use both. In Ubuntu, type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and KDE is an option in the options menu on the log in screen. Consult your distro's wiki, and try a different desktop just for fun.
Re:today's desktops? (Score:1, Insightful)
Hmmm, acknowledging a problem and working to solve it... Wouldn't that be a good thing?