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Cerf Launches UK Recruiting Tour 38

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet is reporting that networking pioneer Vint Cerf is planning to tour the UK in an attempt to recruit coders for Google. From the article: 'Google admitted that it was having difficulties recruiting developers and would be targeting students and engineers.'"
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Cerf Launches UK Recruiting Tour

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  • by JanneM ( 7445 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @04:10AM (#14865018) Homepage
    'Google admitted that it was having difficulties recruiting developers and would be targeting students and engineers.'

    Yeah, they finally had to acknowledge that the previous recruiting strategy of targeting florists and mime-artists just wasn't panning out, code quality-wise.
  • Kordestani added that Google was particularly interested in benefiting from the UK's wireless expertise, describing it as "light years ahead of the US"

    What, like BBC radio?
    • I wonder why anyone thinks "light years ahead of the US" makes more sense than "miles ahead of the US". Is being more advanced a question of distance?

      Or maybe they don't know in Google that light years measure distance, and years measure time.
      • Cerf: I bet you $50 some guy on slashdot will comment on my use of 'light years ahead' rather than 'miles ahead' within 30 mins of an article being posted.
        Google guy: Deal!

        (may not have actually happend)

        You might just have made Cerf $50 :)
      • by MountainMan101 ( 714389 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @06:45AM (#14865316)
        Actually, I think distance and time are equally used, perhaps only in English speaking countries (eg UK) and not English-derived languages (like Americanese). I would say that "time" is generally used when describing development, and distance when refering to effort. So "Linux is years ahead of Windows" and "Team X is miles ahead of Team Y at cracking that code".

        Basically what I'm trying to say is, you tried to be smart but you failed.
  • Would this mean that he is trying to get the best and the brightest to work in cerfdom?


    (Apologies, could not resist. Must go make highbrow joke to a random person in the street as pennance.)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @05:29AM (#14865172)
    Perhaps they should reconsider requiring six or seven interviews involving people from three different countries and an elapsed time of two to three months?

    I understand they only want to hire good people but good people will probably get a stack of written job offers before Google gets anywhere near making a decision.

    • I'd rather risk losing someone good than be lumped with someone weak who got through a light the recruitment process.

      I don't know what the ratio to hire-nohire is, but some engineers do a hundred 45 min interviews a year, on top of their normal jobs. So it's not just difficult on the applicants; but there is a really good reason for it.

      Some people say "So, just hire bad people and fire them later". Google isn't like a normal company. Stuff is done so differently that you can't afford
      • Obviously you haven't had to look for a job recently. It's a hell of a lot more annoying to be the "good" person that is lost... and often it is a non-trivial exercise to get to interviews. That "45 minute interview" can typically take a good few hours to travel to, meaning time off work and all the costs associated with that. Whatever company it is, there's a finite number of times most people can afford to travel to interviews, and lets be honest, any interviewer worth his salt will be able to size up an
        • I want to split my time between Montana and Fiji, but since I need to work, and I know IT, I'm living in Seattle. It's a choice really.

          If you are a recent college graduate with a degree computer science and you live 45 miles out of Little Rock and are unwilling to move, either write some chicken farm management software and sell it yourself, or expect long drives to infrequent job interviews. Of course, If you live in Cupertino and aren't any good, you probably won't recruiters from Google breathing down
  • by kneeslasher ( 878676 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @06:11AM (#14865269) Homepage
    Google visited Oxford yesterday and I went along to the event. It was OK. Instead of asking a question on the theme of "How do I get in?", one silly chap asked about how Google squared their "Do no evil." policy with China. Which led to a wasted ten minute PR exercise of why and how Google was operating in China. Apart from that, it was OK and I have a purple Google pen to show for it. There was a raffle in which I won nothing. The top prize being an iPod.
    • Vint Cerf was on Radio 4's Today programme yesterday morning. It was interesting listening to him trying to justify Google's censorship in China. At least he practically said, "Well, we're in it purely for the money, do no evil be damned" (but in a more round about weaselly way).
    • Do you have a link to the schedule for the tour? Ironically, Google seems unable to find it...
    • Someone (at the Imperial College seminar today) asked that too. He said he thought information was better than no information, that they write on the page when results are missing from a google.cn search (and have permission from the government to do so, which surprises him), they won't be launching gmail or similar in China so that they can't be asked to disclose the data, and that information is like water and will wear away at the Chinese government. Someone else asked about their disclosure of informat
      • I remember the other question
        "The industry simply has to ... rethink it's business modely to take advantages of the new technology"
        "These industries simply have to learn to adopt"

        The question was about, basically, P2P piracy, but Cerf moved into talking about phone companies too as an example of another business that must change (he mentioned the ISPs wanting to charge content providers, and is strongly against the idea, of course. As am I).
    • Wasted ten minutes ?!??!?!

      Surely if you are considering going to work for a company you might like to know how they respond to questions regarding how they square their ethical behaviour with their very public mission statement.
  • I don't know if this is redundant, but it seems that Google is THE hot tech job, like IBM was a while back. Is this really neccessary? Anyone I know working in tech would drop their job right then and there if a job offer from Google came into their postbox!
    • Re:Needed? (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I wouldn't, but then I do work at IBM (and therefore posting anon.).

      If you work at IBM the odds are you're writing code which will still be in use in 10 years' time. At google, I don't think that's the plan.

      Neither option is necessarily better than the other, but I prefer to work on long-term code rather than short-term code. YMMV.
  • by jonv ( 2423 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @07:06AM (#14865355)
    Went to see Vint Cert at this event on monday: http://www.feis.herts.ac.uk/cs40/public/index.htm [herts.ac.uk]
    Interesting event - nothing that I hadn't heard in interview or read on the web but fun to see live.
    If a new he was recruiting I would have taken my CV along!
    • by Anonymous Coward
      If a new he was recruiting I would have taken my CV along!

      If speling and grammer is a prerequisite for working at Google, you haven't missed out on anything.

  • by jmv ( 93421 ) on Tuesday March 07, 2006 @07:15AM (#14865377) Homepage
    Google admitted that it was having difficulties recruiting developers and would be targeting students and engineers.

    I've just been to both linux.conf.au [linux.conf.au] and FOSDEM [fosdem.org] and in both cases, Google has been recruiting really aggressively. By that, I mean someone you've never met just popping in with "Hello, have you considered working for Google?".
    • Sometimes I just wonder what's happening there - at two times did I apply for jobs with them (once in Zurich, Switzerland, while still living there; and once late last year for a job here in London where I am living now). In both cases, my CV seemed a good match for the positions I applied for. In Zurich, at the time of the application I only got an automated response saying something like "thanks for applying; we'll only be back in touch if we might be remotely interested in you" (nothing further). Here i
  • It must be working -- the recruitment event in London tonight (with speech by Cerf) is fully booked. Google is definitely the cool place to be now if you're a comp.sci. finalist looking for a job. They should bottle that attraction and sell it to flagging tech companies starved for grads...
  • 'Google admitted that it was having difficulties recruiting developers and would be targeting students and engineers'

    As much as I appreciate them looking at students and engineers, the obvious question that comes up in my head is - and make them do what ? . Whenever I look at what Google India's doing, there is no clarity in terms of what work they are doing, they will be doing or they will make me do. Either it is all hush-hush or they have no idea what to do with all the developers they already have.

  • I'm pretty sure it would be dead-easy to hire USians to go live in the Green and Pleasant Land. By the millions. As a US company, it should be straight-forward to arrange residence permits.
    • Actually, as an EU member state the jobs must go to qualified EU nationals first. In the unlikely event that there are no EU nationals qualified for the posted position(s) that have applied after a mandatory 3 month public posting period, then they can submit the appropriate paper work to hire the "USian". Now, as an American company setting up shop in the UK, they can bring over some key US employees for some period of time to build the business there. Those work permits are very easy to get, but that does
      • Note that there are special rules in the UK for commonwealth citizens. If you are coming from somewhere like South Africa, Australia or Canada[1] then you can get in under much more relaxed rules. The US is actually one of the harder places to come from if you want to work in the UK.

        [1] Anywhere that stopped being a colony without a war.

        • Are you referring to the ancestry claims that Commonwealth citizens could make? That requires that a grand-parent was a British citizen, otherwise you're in the same boat as everyone else. The UK annouced just yesterday the details of the new points based immigration system, similar to the system used in Canada. Basically, the more skills you have, the better your chances. But again, if it comes down to two highly skilled immigrant workers and one is from the EU and the other from the Commonwealth, then t

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