Microsoft's Upcoming Desktop Search Tool 293
Back in July, Microsoft purchased a company called Lookout who made a tool that allowed users of Outlook 2000+ to search through their email at greater speed and accuracy to the standard Outlook search tool. Since Microsoft acquired Lookout, the MSN team have been steadily working on Desktop Search and web search technologies. Google announced their own Desktop Search technology recently; the tool is fast but is limited in capabilities.The MSN Toolbar Suite integrates directly throughout the OS and varies according to where you're searching from. For example, if you're searching from within Windows Explorer you will search on your PC, in IE on the web and in Outlook the toolbar searches within Outlook. The bottom line : like the new online search, Microsoft have made a very good effort to get back in the game.
Hmm... (Score:1, Insightful)
When will they learn? (Score:5, Insightful)
Didn't Internet Explorer teach them that integrating something that connects to the web, like this, into the OS is bad? I'm just waiting for a security hole to pop up and leave even more reason to bash Windows security.
Well, atleast this is optional, unlike IE.
So what? (Score:4, Insightful)
I would be very surprised if Microsoft makes this work with anything other then their products.
Joy of plain ASCII... (Score:2, Insightful)
This is a joke, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
Also-- to the people who are pointing out (and/or will point out) that this sounds like Apple's "Spotlight" tech... I personally loathe Microsoft, but I DO recall them speaking about making the entire filesystem one big relational database (and I recall the mixed reactions among the
Of course, this being Microsoft, they probably took the idea from someone else first
The Bottom Line (Score:2, Insightful)
By buying a company. How like them.
Portal wars again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why? Because the ad dollars that were once banner impressions from billions of page impressions, are now far cheaper than they were back then (revenues are down from them), and now pay-per-click revenues are super-duper high. Remember, this isn't about making software for the greater good of man, these companies are in it to win it.
So anyway, here we are again. Searching your desktop. Web based mail. Yesterday's AOL is today's Google. Personally, a lot of these tools are overhyped, in my opinion. I really hope that these companies have more forward looking people, instead of just sideways looking (i.e. at competition). Because when contextual text-based ads start losing their value, it'll just happen all over again, and we may be talking about the search engine wars the same way we look back at the portal wars.
Re:hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
What google includes is hardly spyware, in the google toolbar you have an option not to install it. Microsoft software sends useage statistics and such back, and some software usage is reported without warning or permission, to a certification system.
Google is quite open and honest with what it includes in it's software, less so than Microsoft can be.
This is a good thing! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Integrated with the OS? Crackers, go to it! (Score:4, Insightful)
Good call.
I can't wait until some compromise comes along and then uses this search tool to *make sure* it finds the right files to send to 3rd parties...
Somebody is on the defensive... (Score:3, Insightful)
Although now that I think about it, they never really innovated anyway - so I guess they were never truly on the offensive.
And as always MS innovates... (Score:4, Insightful)
btw before you think I'm just some MS hater I guess I should state I'm not against the practice nor Microsoft's products in general. If the end result is a good product then who cares how it was made. Just wanted to point out that its a bit ironic that people expect brand new innovative products from the ground up from OSS yet don't give a single thought to the fact that almost everything MS puts out wasn't developed in-house at first and they rely almost soley on outsiders for many of their innovations and ideas.
Predicting a Security Hole (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Spotlight anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
They have learned! being evil makes money (Score:4, Insightful)
I, for one... (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me count the ways in which GDS annoys me:
0. Lack of support for programs I use (Firefox support? Pretty please?)
1. When a a folder has the same name as my search term, google search will display *all* files within that folder. For example if I search for 'doom 3' it won't just list the files called 'doom 3' it will list *all* the files in the doom 3 folder. It would be much more useful if it would only display the folder once as a separate search result, and then only display files called 'doom 3'
2. Inability to only search for filenames *only* - sometimes, or actually most of the time, I want to find a specific file. I know I have created important.doc but when I search for 'important' I get a plethora of results featuring different documents / text files which have the word 'important' within them. Windows' search has done this nicely by giving me the ability to search for a 'all or a part of the filename' and for 'a word or a phrase within the file'. I also have the option to 'look in' which brings me to my next point
3. Inability to search within a folder - because sometimes it is extremely useful to look for *.mp3 in my very disorganized 'thereShouldBeNoMusicHere' folder. Or to look for anything at all in a drive different than C...
4. Wildcard searches - oftentimes I just can't remember how I've saved the file. Was my presentation called group4project.ppt or group4.ppt or G4.ppt? A simple search of *4*.ppt should find the file, where * is a wildcard. Currently I can't do that.
5. No automatic unindexing. I just moved 3000 files from my desktop to another folder. Now whenever I search for any of those files I get two results, one of them pointing to a non-existing location. There's no way in hell I'm removing 3000 files from the index manually, ten at a time.
The generic search that comes with Windows does a much better job, IMHO. I hope they improve on GDS in the future, because I'd like to googlize my computer some more.
Re:When will they learn? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:hmm (Score:2, Insightful)
Just it's pretty hard to explain people who don't know what a web browser is why they should use Mozilla FireFox or any other sane browser.
Re:When will they learn? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, their single major competitor of the time is dead, many people are unaware web browsers other than Internet Explorer exist, and there were no negative side-effects of any sort for Microsoft other than an utterly insignificant "settlement" fee with the Bush administration. It seems to me IE would have taught Microsoft that integrating something that connects to the web into the OS is.. well.. good.
I'm just waiting for a security hole to pop up and leave even more reason to bash Windows security.
Is this what you were referring to as far as why this would be "bad"? Because I don't see this as a bad thing for Microsoft. The security disaster that has been Microsoft's products in the last few years has yet to produce any significant negative repercussions I can see for Microsoft. Further security disasters in Microsoft products likely will turn out just the same; bad for Microsoft's customers, neither good nor bad for Microsoft.
Well, atleast this is optional, unlike IE.
How long will that last, I wonder?
i don't get it. (Score:4, Insightful)
if everyone really wants to be able to search their stuff, it might be better to do away with files for documents completely. why not just make a real database (not fs database like winfs or whatever other bullshit they were thinking), where all documents, presentations, spreadsheets, are inputted into a real sql database as xml? maybe allow each application to create their own "database" with their own "table" with their own specific fields. then allow all these to be searchable by whatever search engine can be integrated with whatever desktop interface you may have. let's do away with files completely if people just keep on losing them, and have to search for them.
actually from reading what i just typed, it sounds like how a palm works. each app has their own searchable resource files. i don't really know how that will work with the stuff people type though. and images are another issue. most of the time, i find organizing pictures the toughest. documents are easy to categorize, but pictures, that's really a tough one.
yep. Same game Google is in. (Score:1, Insightful)
not about the technology (Score:3, Insightful)
I understand if licensing or patents are involved because then MS would want to own them now instead of geting into trouble later. (Indeed, one of the story links indicate patents are involved: It seems that Lookout already has some patents on desktop search technology. Microsoft's work was independetly developed. They are just protecting their back from patent litigations.)
Also, if MS buys the company then there's less similar competition in the future (the small company already proved it could out-Microsoft Microsoft).
In these cases it wouldn't be about the technology at all.
Re:Useful MSFT things Re:Spotlight anyone? (Score:5, Insightful)
Most things in your list might be OK products, but I wouldn't say all of them were brand new ideas when released.
Re:Useful MSFT things Re:Spotlight anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft has weaknesses like any company, but particularly in research and software engineering, I think they're among the more innovative companies. Just MHO.
Re:Spotlight anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft announced this idea several *years* ago, as part of Longhorn. While they haven't delivered yet, because well...Longhorn hasn't delivered yet, the idea was still there, and Apple most certainly didn't have Spotlight before that. Furthermore, MS even had the idea of virtual folders that would contain search results, which I hear is also a feature of Spotlight.