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Educational Consortium Will Control .edu Domains 145

PxT writes: "According to this Reuters story, the U.S. government is going to hand over control of .edu to an association of 1800 college IT departments. Anything is better than Verisign ..." I wonder how long VeriSign cried over this move, considering that it probably wasn't very lucrative to administer .edu names. (It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens.)
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Educational Consortium Will Control .edu Domains

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  • Corporations control .COM? No shit!

    Perhaps we should turn it over to a non-profit coalition of porno-spammers?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    After a domain name that was registered with them expires, they hold onto it themselves, presumably to auction off at a later date.

    Urban legend.

    Not an urban legend. I can confirm they did this to one of my domains. They also screwed up my password so they would not permit me to edit my nameserver addresses. They refused to believe my photo ID and company letterhead I faxed them in order to try to get it back under my control. My domain was immediately sold to a domain squatter/speculator three full days before it expired and I still haven't been able to get it back... this happened two years ago.
  •, when will they get rid of shit like (Yeah, that's really a 4-year institution...)

    - A.P.

    Forget Napster. Why not really break the law?

  • I have a .edu address at work...

    We are a non-profit arts and education organization, not a school, and we operate under a .edu
  • Posted that one already, but here it is again []
  • That would just require registration with whoever owns, not .us.
  • My universities slogan is "Ball State University, Everything You Need." Yeah, i'ts everything you need, well, if you need a big penis bell tower that is being built for the sole purpose of being taller than purdue's, and as long as you don't need a well respected degree. :P
  • And our best radio station is at []!

    (small world)
  • There are astronomical institutions which are not degree-granting, but are in the .edu domain. [], [], []...
  • It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens.

    I don't know about these restrictions you speak of, but my high school [] has had a domain name since 1992.

    We also probably have the best high school connection to the Internet, with a dedicated 100MBit line, courtesy of Cablevision.

    I'd say the lack of 2-year colleges with domain names is just a reflection of their IT departments' interest in the Internet. I don't imagine they'd have any more trouble registering a .edu than would a high school.
  • A school doesn't have to be "4-year" to be accredited.
  • It really was quite interesting how this whole thing went down. First, Michael Roberts (vice president of Educom) merges his company with CAUSE to form a new company called EDUCAUSE. Then, he becomes President and CEO of ICANN for 3 years. In March, he resigns from ICANN and lays low for a month (most likely to avoid public scrutiny). Now, in April, the DoC announces that they are giving the administration of .edu to EDUCAUSE. Hmmmmm... I wonder what we missed in the back-room, closed-door meetings that led up to this transfer???

    Another thing to think about: The transfer of .com/.net/.org required the involvement of ICANN (and unfortunately NSI too). Yet, here the DoC is making policy decisions on their own without any ICANN involvement. So, why couldn't the DoC make the decision about the VeriSign agreement? Or even better - why can't the DoC decide to add new TLDs without ICANN??

  • Many high schools have .edu's (, as do other educational institutions. Check out and
  • How about
  • It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges
    There certainly are 2 year colleges that have .edu domains. Mercer County [] and Atlantic-Cape [] to name two in NJ.

    I don't know why others don't, though. I wouldn't have trouble believing that it is harder for a 2 year college to get a .edu domain than a 4 year.
  • Don't you people watch TV?? You think the "DeVry Institute" is a 4 year college?
  • There's also Academy in Groton, MA. Great hockey program. Not a lot else, though.
  • Well, we aren't a 4-year school and we have an edu domain ( However, we got our domain way before Network Solutions took over administration of domains. Then again, we grant PhD degrees which take more than 4 years usually.

    But I am sure glad that the edu domain is not in the hands of a commercial entity any longer. Let's hope that the rules for getting an edu domain will be relaxed to allow any accredited degree granting institution.
  • they held one of my domains for 5 months until a cybersquatter picked it up. and no - i couldnt register it again either.
  • Me too. Perhaps I should have said 'formal high school'?

  • My high school has an edu domain. 4 year colleges??

  • belongs to a danish university.

    Metro Pittsburgh Youth for Christ was able to sevure an .edu domain, and they aren't even a school.
  • I am the webmaster for a high school and I've had a very hard time trying to register a new domain. Our existing web site has a really long url. This is much too long for anybody who is normal to remember. Thus we would like to reserve It is available, and I have tried to register online twice. It has been like I have never even tried; I received no mail whatsoever. When I called their 800 number, I was put on hold for an extended time and punted around to different numbers. Ultimately, I was told that high schools cannot register .edu domains when I know this to be false. I know of many schools much like my own which have this type of domain. They include but are not limited to,,,,,, and and aren't even real schools. It is completely unfair that elite schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx High School of Science get to be at the forefront of this technology revolution. I sent an email to them and never actually got a response either. Maybe this new initiative will allow other schools to get domains.
  • Oh well, more people can lurch in on the .edu domain. Maybe some colleges should switch to .com, then. Makes sense, we're giving them money for a service they provide...
  • Is there an OldSchool tie?

  • Seems only the Private schools got the pull (or cash) to get the .edu
    Pull maybe, but I didn't think it was worth the trouble to get one. When I helped my daughter's school get a domain, we got a .org because it took all of 10 minutes to do so at Dotster. No one wanted to bother with the delay and the process involved with getting an edu. In truth, people are so used to .com, that having the .org is a bit of a problem. Having a .edu extension would probably be worse.
  • Or check out, which is basically a trade school.
  • Oh, British students do that too. I had an extra special snigger about that when, at school, we were browsing brochures selecting universities for applications.

  • In the UK, we have separate domains for schools and colleges/universities. Schools are in *, while universities are at This seems to work quite well, I think, especially since there are lots of schools with the same name, especially those named after christian saints.

    * A borough is an area governed by a particular local council, although in the case where a county is quite small, a whole county may have the same council and I presume share the same school domain.

  • Yeah, but you can't get a "trusted" Verisign cert for a .us domain--only for .com, .net, and .org (last I looked; I suppose they're prolly allowing some other domains now). For that reason, my high school [] went from to .org. The CIO there is pretty big into standards, which is prolly why we didn't get the .com (which was open at the time of the .org purchase) or the .edu (which, at least according to some RFCs I've seen but am too lazy to look up, is supposed to be only for four-year, accredited, post-secondary institutions).

  • don't forget NCSSM [] and IMSA []. There really are a lot of high schools that got their .edu's early. I think I remember hearing that sometime after '95 or something that .edu would only be given to colleges and universites, and the high schools that already had .edu registrants would be grandfathered and could keep them.
  • My first internet account was through our local community college which was a 2 year college with a .edu domain. It recently turned 4 year, but it had a .edu domain for years before that was even planned. Did the rules change at some point?
  • there is also my esteemed high school. Seems only the Private schools got the pull (or cash) to get the .edu
  • There are several joke posts about non-4-year college programs getting .edu names. Sadly, to some of us, this isn't a joke. I am a high school webmaster. I've tried several times to get an name. I am always rebuffed by the registrar; they say I must be a 4-year college to apply. Yet, non-colleges like and have their names, and even less-reputable things like data centers have a .edu. My question is, do you have to know somebody at internic/verisign to get a .edu name? Because I sure have been trying, and it sure hasn't been working.
  • by Puk ( 80503 )
    I always wanted to register and start a school to educate people on their education options. Meta-education is the perfect net.cause!

    Yes, I realize it's taken. But that happened between this posting and your reading. Someone clearly just read my post and registered it to make millions off my idea. Luckily, I patented it first.

  • I go to a 2 year community college (for about 6 more weeks, and then I transfer to a real college) here in Columbus (Columbus State Community College) and they have I wonder how that slipped by their 4 year college rule. Actually I'm not really going to lose sleep over it, but the article piqued my attention for a few seconds :)
  • My high school (Loyola High School of Los Angeles) has a .edu... []

    Of course.. the only reason we have it is because we were so (excuse the cliche) "ahead of the times," that we registered it before the whole 4 year college rule came about... As a result, we have the distinct privilage of being one of the few non 4 year colleges with a .edu

  • a) because america invented the internet b) uhh wait a minute isnt in america, wtf you talking about willis?
  • It isn't limited to What do you mean it's been posted 400 billion times already? Well, shit.


  • I learned myself more at the exploratorium in one visit than i did in all my years in LAUSD [].
  • I've got a friend who's been trying to get "" for years, but he couldn't since he isn't a school. :) Since they are apparently relaxing restrictions, does anyone know what it will now take to qualify for a .edu?
  • Look at,,,, and Private High Schools all. That's 9-12. Not 4 year colleges by any stretch.
  • How about the .edu domain name for every school in the world ?

  • How long till the wall up all the .edu servers behind drywall? I can see the press release now "Novel Assists Colleges in tracing location of .edu domain...." Well its been running fine for four years.....
  • Hrm amusing the local community college here has a .edu Our county k-12 system has a .edu also Check your facts please 8)
  • I think that it's more that the policy has not been enforced, rather than it having been repealed. I know that their are now primary and secondary schools with .edu domains, as well as non-American institutions. I suspect that this is basically keeping with the spirit of the original naming convention, rather than the letter. After all, when the TLDs were first created nobody would have considered that any school but a fairly serious university would even be able to connect to the net, much less want to have their own address. I'm sure that the idea of kindergardeners needing their own address was the last thing on the designers mind when they were coming up with the naming scheme way back when.

  • The slogan "America's Next Great University" is the slogan for University of Kentucky []?

    Here at the University of Louisville [] we have the (advertising) slogan "Dare to be Great". This has sparked parodies such as "Dare to be Stupid".

    Some how those parodies don't have the irony of "America's Next Great University". It brings a message of "Eeehh, we are not so great yet. But by the time you graduate, we will really kick ass!"

    Besides, we have Pitino [] now. So I don't think that UK deserves Although we might get [] and rename the school to University of Pitino.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Who cares about tlds? What you should be complaining about are the Class A subnets!
  • I work for a private school that has a .edu. So it's not been limited all the time to higher ed.
  • Because our own Al Gore invented it, and all youir domains are belong to us.

    crimeny. We agree to mix our .com's and stuff with those funny .country domains, and didn't even make you guys buy any. Then we offer and screw up .us just to keep you happy. What's next, should we misprint your money for you?



  • - a science center.
    There are others I can't think of right now that are not colleges, but major education type places ( know - starting to sound like totatally a val girl)
  • Somewhere deep within NSI's web pages, nigh impossible to find, is something that says you must be an accredited 4 year school to get an .edu. (Or you must grant bachelor degrees - usually 4 years)

    Below is what it said when I last found it, as our music hall attached to our campus wanted to get .edu as well as .org.

    14. What are the guidelines for registering an .EDU Web Address?
    Registrations in the .EDU domain are reserved for colleges and
    universities that grant degrees at the bachelor, master and doctoral
    level, or its foreign equivalent. Each college or university may register
    only one .EDU Web Address. Graduate programs, remote campuses, etc.,
    cannot obtain a .EDU Web Address of their own. Instead, they should obtain
    a third-level domain beneath the second-level domain of their institution.
    Inquiries should be directed to the registrant of the second-level domain.

    If the college or university registering the Web Address meets this
    criteria, it must provide a brief explanation of the kinds of degrees
    awarded under "Purpose/Description" on the registration form.

    Many foundations, institutions, consortia, centers, etc., that have
    educational missions but don't meet the criteria for a Web Address
    registration in the .EDU TLD register their Web Addresses under the .ORG
    TLD. K-12 schools and community colleges are typically registered under
    country domains such as .US.
  • Check out []

    Wonder how that one slipped through...
  • Verisign receives part of your registration fee, no matter what registrar you use. I think it's something like $7 per year per domain, which is probably mostly profit for Verisign.
  • by jjr ( 6873 )
    (It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens) My older and twin brothers go to this community school I guess they did not get thier facts straight
  • If I will be able to register Armageddon .edu now?

    Learn to overthrow the gummint

  • Then how does Foothill-De Anza Community College have it's own site []?


  • I assume you already knew about Hamburger University, but hey, just in case you didn't..

    Hamburger University []

    I've cruised the campus before, it's very nice--even has a full golf course. They actually do have courses on Working the Fry Basket, although they don't offer them as distance-learning :)

  • It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens.
    Umm, check out Stuyvesant High School []. Stuy has a class B .edu domain for the same reason MIT has a class A ... they got it ages ago before there were regulations of these sorts.

    My question then becomes what happens to places like Stuy which are not four years colleges but which do have a .edu domain? What if other high schools like Stuy and Bronx Science [] come along with a valid claim for a .edu domain? Will they be summarily denied now?

  • Check out

    This is a prep high school, sister school to Andover of Bush family fame...

  • Not just private high schools can get .edu domains. One friend of mine showed me the web page of Stuyvesant High School [], a public (magnet) high school in New York City.
  • The restrictions on .edu are you must be an accredited learning institution. These domains are free that is why they are so anal about giving them out. A school can get one, a teachers association probably won't unless they know someone. People need to read up on topic before spouting off things.

  • universities are at

    This gave us a small amount of amusement when as (American) university students, we would download things from a mirror at Imperial College. Spoken aloud, of course, their domain is "Ick Ack Uck". :-)

  • ...assigned according to their geographic location, if you're talking about high schools and the like. Something like seems to be common. Likewise for community colleges.

    Putting anything that calls itself a school into an .edu domain would be utterly chaotic. Even leaving aside Dimator's very good point about how .edu ought to mean something (frex, accredited schools), you're still faced with half a kazillion public schools all named "Central High School," all of which will be offended if they aren't

  • Problem with the school of hard knocks is that nobody ever graduates. Everytime I think that I'm close to graduating they change the fsckin' requirements on me and I suddenly find myself starting my freshman year again. At least the tuition isn't all that bad.
  • People had lots of fun with domain names before the accredited-4-year-schools-only policy was created.

    Miskatonic University (MISKATONIC2-DOM)
    100 High Street
    Arkham, MA 02235

    Domain Name: MISKATONIC.EDU

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
    Metzger, Perry E. (PEM) Perry@PIERMONT.COM
    Piermont Information Systems Inc.
    160 Cabrini Blvd., Suite #2
    New York, NY 10033
    (212) 927-5963

    Record last updated on 24-Jun-1997.
    Record created on 03-May-1995.
    Database last updated on 13-Apr-2001 03:50:00 EDT.

    Domain servers in listed order:


  • by zpengo ( 99887 )

    My two-year college had an .edu TLD, as do many others [].

  • High schools can use .edu. Check out Thomas Jefferson High School [].
  • You mean like a museum []?
  • It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens.
    In that case, check out [], although I don't think that's so nice.


  • What a concept. That means that .net should be given to network admin consortiums and .gov should be given to the government. Oh .gov already is. So it's only the 'little guy' that is still under the control of corporations? Figures.

    Cav Pilot's Reference Page []

    Alumnists include just about everyone. And we have campuses all around the world. Although, not a 4 year college, more like a lifetime one. Credit transfers are automatic, and you do not need a thesis to graduate!
  • Too me,it seems that "teaching" someone to think is a bit of an oxymoron. Teaching seems to be a type of manipulation, no matter how well intentioned, seems to be be incompatable with the idea of indepedent thought.

    That is, when you teach people to think, you are always going to teach them, in some subtle way, to think how(and by extension, what) to think. And thus you aren't teaching thought at all.

  • I actually modded you up for that first post for Katy a few weeks offtopic and ridiculous as it was, young love (or old love,for all I know) is so sweet+cute, I really had to reward you. I got metamodded down for it, too.
  • Am I really that ignorant of the English language? Where, when and how did the word "education" come to mean "accredited 4 year university"? What, exactly did all these accredited four year universities do to lay sole claim to the title of "education"? Unless "education" now means "bullshit, more bullshit, date rape and drunk driving" I don't think that the four year universities should be in sole possesion of the .edu

    So, to put it more mildly, I don't see why four year universities should have sole rights to the .edu domain. I am happy that four year colleges and non-traditional schools may also be able to get it.

  • I wonder if McDonalds can register

    "Register at and sign up for a distance learning course on Working the Fry Basket, Advanced Making Change, and Voice (for the Drivethru) 101."

    If you don't have anything nice to say, say it often.

  • Many have noted that there are lots of non-4-year institutions with .edu domains. The AP story [] at explains:

    The .edu domain category has been restricted to four-year colleges and universities almost since its inception. But about a quarter of community colleges got .edu addresses before the restriction took effect. Educause plans to allow the rest of the community colleges to obtain .edu addresses.

    It also notes how Verisign does state that it was eager to give up the domain.

  • You honestly think a group of 1800 college IT departments is going to do something better than a single government agency? First, remember that a high percentage of this group will be state schools. Second, have you read some of the horror stories here in recent months about the Use Policies and the behavior of some of these instititutions? At least at the State schools the local state constitution has some bearing on their behavior but a private school...
  • in my humble opinion

    Don't you mean IMHO? On Slashdot (oops, I mean /.) you're supposed to use acronyms whenever possible!

  • The .us TLD is extremely hard to get domains registered into. Many contacts refuse to answer email regarding their areas of responsibility, and some charge outrageous fees (>$400/yr) to register. All in all, the .us TLD is a bust, in my humble opinion.
  • I'm glad only accredited 4-year institutions are supposed to get .edu domains. I was once requested to register an .edu for an MCSE-generating mill, one of the places that promises if you spend $5000 on its classes, that you will pass the MCSE exam or your money back, plus you got a free palm III for registering. I tried to register it with Internic (the only registrar at the time), and was asked to provide documentation for their accreditation status. I let the salesdroid know about it, and the customer ended up getting the same name with a .com instead. Entirely more appropriate, in my opinion.
  • There are a wide variety of .edu domains that are not US 4 year universities. Here are just a few examples. As you can see from the last examples, some of them don't even have to do with school. If you're crafty enough you can get a .edu by saying that you have some redeeming academic value.


  • NinjaTux(.edu): the low latency attack software of the millenium of hackers. Access it now at via the hypertext transfer protocol. Tuxedo not included, Although one will look good on you at your trial.

    (oh, and please, mod up the article I responded to. It is funken funny stuff!)

    Please remove BOOGERS when sending me eMail. Thankyou...

  • hey nobody has y'know... If I had the resources to build such a site I would but I don't so maybe someone else should...
  • that's right,

    It's about time he got the recognition he deserves for his contributions to American comedy...
  • Given the changes, I'm petitioning the board for my domain to register my college's domain:

    And yes, I will be providing a four-year degree. :)

    Invisible Agent
  • by Sabalon ( 1684 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @02:27PM (#295146)
    Uh.... do a whois on,,,

    Sorry - that's about my limit on non-us college knowledge - not even enough for a full Jeapordy category.
  • Reuters:

    Unlike unrestricted domains such as .com, .org and .net, use of the .edu domain name is reserved for the approximately 2,000 four-year colleges and universities in the United States.

    There have been many institutions over the years with .edu domains that are not accredited 4-year academic institutions. Museums, research facilities, schools without 4-year programs, there are numerous examples of all of these (thank you, we don't need every /.'er noting the dozen closest to them.)

    Either Reuters has simply gotten their 'facts' wrong (gee - a misreported tech story? Never!) or the enforcement of the 4-year policy has been innefectual.

    Frankly I'm inclined to believe that either this supposed policy is a relatively recent one or there's a lot of details that have been omitted. In any case the Reuters story is clearly innacurate.

  • by nosilA ( 8112 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @04:45PM (#295148)
    Until around 95-96 ish, the rule about 4-year accredited institutions was not in place. They were still somewhat selective, but high schools, school-related research centers, trade schools, etc could get .edu domains. They changed that, I assume, due to potential namespace collisions between the 3000 Thomas Jefferson schools in the country. Any new registration required a school to be a 4-year accredited institution. This could change, but I'd be surprised to see high schools and grade schools getting in there.

  • by Wayfarer ( 10793 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @02:10PM (#295149) Homepage

    Why is there a second America-only tld? Why isn't this (in the uk we use for educational institutions). I always thought the main tlds were supposed to be international, with only the country codes being restricted by country... Evidently not, though...

    Well, the internationalization of TLDs such as COM has been only a relatively recent development. In fact, several of the top-level TLDs are reserved for the United States, in particular, GOV, MIL, and (as you pointed out) EDU. The others (COM especially) have traditionally been dominated by US organizations.

    Furthermore, the administration of the US domain is a bureaucratic mess, despite the (in my mind) wonderful structural scheme that's present in it. Also, it doesn't quite have the accessibility of the top-level TLDs. (Was that or

    One could go on and on about whether or not the US has the right to claim such exclusive access, but the history remains the same. ^_^


    "Is it all journey, or is there landfall?"

  • We ran this one, plus some commentary, at [] about 24 hours ago. If you are interested in ICANN and the DNS, you may want to know that the site is now updated daily, sometimes more often, and has a slashdot-like interface (PHP nuke). We do have a very slightly more restrictive posting policy than slashdot, but it is explained in our FAQ [].

    Since then, we've run stories on

  • by mperrin ( 41687 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @05:04PM (#295151) Homepage
    There's a simple explanation for this: The policy is more recent than the .edu domain. Back when the domain name system was first getting set up, there were so few high schools on the internet that it was entirely reasonable to give all four or five of them .edu domains. As time went on and the number started to go up, someone made the decision to restrict new .edu's to 4 year colleges only. Existing high schools etc with .edu's were grandfathered in, but no new ones were granted. As far as I know this policy was enforced rigorously.

    I'm speaking from personal experience here. We wired up my high school to the net in '95, when it was still pretty much bleeding edge for a high school to have a T1 and a server room of its very own. We wanted but were refused due to not being a 4 year college, and thus went with []. Not nearly as nice a domain, and believe me there's no way we would have gone with it if we had had any choice!

  • by SmileyBen ( 56580 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @01:24PM (#295152) Homepage
    Why is there a second America-only tld? Why isn't this (in the uk we use for educational institutions). I always thought the main tlds were supposed to be international, with only the country codes being restricted by country... Evidently not, though...
  • by dimator ( 71399 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @01:40PM (#295153) Homepage Journal
    (It would be very nice to see .edu domains that aren't only 4-year colleges, too, so I hope that happens.)

    I'd like to see it given to only accredited universities, actually. .edu has come to signify something, just like .com has. If you start giving it to every other "online university" or other sillyness, then you diminish the .edu title, and soon you'll have things like

    I could be crazy though....
  • I would so love to have! I know just about a bazillion people that would be qualified to have an email address (myself included, if having your kidneys fail when you're 20 counts as a hard knock ;-) ).

    News for geeks in Austin: []
  • by gleam ( 19528 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @01:22PM (#295155) Homepage my personal favorite.

    Time to break internic's rules:

    The Old School (OLDSCHOOL7-DOM)
    1111 Karlstad Drive
    Sunnyvale, CA 94089

    Domain Name: OLDSCHOOL.EDU

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
    Bell, Wade (WB216) wbell@BEST.COM
    8oz. Publishing
    2432 Karen Dr #1
    Santa Clara, CA 95050
    408 249 1557

    Record last updated on 08-Mar-2001.
    Record created on 12-Oct-1998.
    Database last updated on 12-Apr-2001 06:35:00 EDT.

    Domain servers in listed order:




  • by po_boy ( 69692 ) on Thursday April 12, 2001 @01:48PM (#295156) Homepage
    for After all, he didn't spend 8 years in Evil Medical School to be called "Mr. Evil".
  • by GoNINzo ( 32266 ) <> on Thursday April 12, 2001 @01:17PM (#295157) Journal

    I've wanted since the begining of all this, and every time i've applied (at multiple places) when asked by the person 'is this a 4 year school', i patiently reply 'One cannot become a ninja with only 4 years. ha! ha! ha!' and then they hang up on me, I think cause of the mocking tone.

    Gonzo Granzeau

Thus spake the master programmer: "Time for you to leave." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"