Journal damn_registrars's Journal: We Don't Need No Fucking Gun Control 20
Woman killed by 4-year-old in Tennessee cookout
Yes, you read that right. A woman was killed by a four year old boy who picked up a loaded handgun that some shit-for-brain left sitting around unattended, and shot and killed a woman. Being as the NRA wants us to believe that more guns somehow causes less death, it would stand to reason that they would also support having some random armed person then shoot and kill the 4 year old to prevent him from shooting anyone else.
Perhaps the most telling line though is towards the end
no charges have been filed.
So some dumb fucker left his loaded gun sitting around and he has not faced any charges for the death that resulted from it. I would be shocked if he ever did, either.
And should the owner have really, really, really, known better? Hell yes. The owner of the gun is a sheriff's deputy. Somehow, this is supposed to make us feel better, I suppose?
The gun involved was Fanning's personal weapon, not his service pistol, she said.
Yes, I'm pissed off about this. I would have submitted it to the front page but since this is drudgedot and it makes the NRA look stupid it would never be accepted there. Hell, not that long ago when there was another case of a shithead leaving his gun out in the reach of a young child the kid shot themselves with it and this site called it "the wii suicide" (as if a toddler could harbor thoughts of suicide).
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Victim is the one who was negligent. She got killed. Who are you going to charge?
Oh, that's right, people don't kill people, guns kill people. So let's charge the gun.
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The gun involved was Fanning's personal weapon, not his service pistol, she said.
The gun belonged to the sheriff, the women who was killed was his wife. I'd expect that being a cop Deputy Daniel Fanning should be held to a higher standard than the average Joe. Regardless of the victim being his wife, he should lose all privileged in owning any guns and be fired. He's clearly demonstrated he's negligent and can't be trusted with a gun and not responsible enough to be trusted to protect members of the public.
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The lack of logic and reasoning in your post leads me to believe you are merely trolling. Try again.
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Victim is the one who was negligent. She got killed. Who are you going to charge?
But, according to the article, the gun was the personal weapon of Daniel Fanning, a deputy sheriff.
So how was it that the victim negligent? because she didn't pull out a gun and shoot the kid before he short her?
Being a sheriff, the guy the gun belonged to should be held to a higher standard. He's put in a position of trust, is provided tons of firearm training and should know how dangerous guns are in the hands of a negligent user. He sh
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If he hadn't have been a cop he'd have gone to jail for negligent manslaughter. He should have, anyway.
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If he hadn't have been a cop he'd have gone to jail for negligent manslaughter. He should have, anyway.
This may be overly pedantic - and I don't mean to imply that you would want to subvert the legal system - but I would want to see him tried for murder, not just simply thrown in jail. While all the information we have so far makes it pretty clear that his stupidity is the reason she is dead, he still deserves a trial.
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As long as we're being pedantic and stuff, unless he coached the kid ahead of time to pick up the gun and shoot the woman, or at the very least coached him to pick it up and fire it, I don't think they could prove the element of intent necessary for a murder charge, so manslaughter is probably the best they could hope to get a conviction with.
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As long as we're being pedantic and stuff, unless he coached the kid ahead of time to pick up the gun and shoot the woman, or at the very least coached him to pick it up and fire it, I don't think they could prove the element of intent necessary for a murder charge, so manslaughter is probably the best they could hope to get a conviction with.
That is a good point on the difference between murder and manslaughter. From my vantage point, the gun owner should be tried for the woman's death as his stupidity directly lead to it. My money is on him never facing any charges whatsoever.
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I would want to see him tried for murder, not just simply thrown in jail.
That should go without saying.
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I would want to see him tried for murder, not just simply thrown in jail.
That should go without saying.
I figured that would be the most rational assumption, but I didn't want to go and put words in your mouth.
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Victim is the one who was negligent. She got killed. Who are you going to charge?
The dead woman was not the negligent owner of the gun. The deputy was the dipshit who left the loaded and unlocked gun sitting around. Deputy dipshit should be charged with murder. Deputy dipshit should lose his job and never be allowed to own a handgun again.
Of course, that is what would happen in a sane country. Instead deputy dipshit will be patrolling our streets, "keeping our citizens safe". I'm glad I don't live anywhere near him.
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Your almost religious level of faith in legislation to prevent tragedy is something we should discuss.
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Punishing the non-dipshits in the country by legislating away liberty helps here how, exactly?
Smitty, I am disappointed by you reducing yourself to the level of putting words in my mouth. My point here is that dipshits who are dipshits by their own dipshit choices should be treated like criminals when they make criminal-level dipshit choices. I have on more than one occasion acknowledged that it is possible to be a responsible gun owner. Hell, that was my entire point in the "Wii suicide" discussion.
If people can be responsible with their guns, I don't care how many they own. But when they
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I'm not looking to take away legally owned guns from people who are responsible with their guns. I am, however, interested in seeing that events caused by epic stupidity do not happen again. And we do not need to take away other peoples' guns to do that.
As I step back and view our overall collapse into totalitarianism [overcriminalized.com], I'm left to wonder if you're (a) really not thinking the larger patterns through, or (b) strangely comfortable with the blend of Huxley & Orwell which our society becomes.
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Wasn't it Jefferson who said that the roots of the tree of liberty need to be watered from time to time with the blood of innocent people who were minding their own business when they got killed by a shot from a gun left lying around by some half-wit?
I think it was when he was explaining that the only hope of preventing the collapse of civilization was the second amendment's defense of the right of total idiots to keep and bear arms just as irresponsibly as they please.
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The dead woman is the negligent adult who didn't keep an eye on a child in her care.
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The dead woman is the negligent adult who didn't keep an eye on a child in her care.
How is she negligent? It was neither her gun nor her child. She was not explicitly tasked with the care of that child, and she just happened to be standing there when the child picked up the gun. Should every adult be watching the activity of every child present for every possible bad outcome at all times?
The only mistake she made was marrying a total fucking imbecile who somehow managed to get deputized in spite of not having the good sense to not allow a child to take his loaded, unlocked, and rea
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Based on the story at CNN, the kid was in her proximity. She took some sort of responsibility for keeping an eye on him. Didn't Hillary say that "it takes a village"?
Your irrational fear and anthropomorphizing of guns is disturbing. Have you sought psychiatric care recently?
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Based on the story at CNN, the kid was in her proximity. She took some sort of responsibility for keeping an eye on him.
Why should she have assumed that the 4 year old in her vicinity was not supervised?
Your irrational fear and anthropomorphizing of guns is disturbing
I did no such thing. Your irrational rush to place such labels without reading what I have written is disturbing, though.
I have consistently in this case placed the blame exactly where it belongs - at the feet of the irresponsible and epically stupid gun owner. The gun did what it was designed to do but the gun owner is a failure of a human being and now there is a dead woman as a result of his epic stupidity. The gun