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Journal Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: The Prophetic, Psychic Pope 23

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I'm leaving this a user journal instead of a submission for two reasons: One, it's not news, many people for the past 5 years have been talking about it. Two, it's a little too fantasy and not enough science fiction, despite the topic being a "truth is stranger than fiction story".

In 1968, at the end of the Second Vatican Council, Pope Paul VI was writing a bunch of documents. One in particular was pretty much laughed at by the world, and in America, became a cause to leave the church, dissent from official church teaching, or just ignore it. Almost NOBODY followed it's recommendations. But that paper, Humanae Vitae, made four testable predictions. If, it said, the contraceptive mentality was to take hold in any country, that country would see four effects:
1. An overall lowering of moral standards

2. A rise in infidelity and illegitimacy
3.
The reduction of women to objects for men's pleasure
4. Government coercion in reproductive matters
 
  Not only has every one of those predictions come true, but it's not just social conservatives who have noticed, but also run of the mill secularist sociologists.
 
In other words, Pope Paul VI went out on a limb saying "this is our faith, this is why, and this is an experiment you can try to prove it", and in our ignorance and laughing at him, we were stupid enough to try the experiment- and all four of his predictions were the result.
 
That's what you call verification of a theory.

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  • The article in question, which claims to "confirm" the statement from the pope, is basically a blog posting from someone at the Hoover Institute [firstthings.com]. However in the article, a lot of TV discussions and books are cited, but I found very little in the way of verifiable, independent, concise research. Just because you interview nobel-winning economist doesn't mean that person is academically qualified to talk about social issues.

    Basically, what I was looking for, amongst other things:
    • How is infidelity being m
    • I know I shouldn't feed trolls, or respond to confirmed sock puppetting idiots... but sometimes, it just has to be done.

      How is infidelity being measured?

      Statistically. Surveys are taken, and people answer them.

      How are "moral standards" being measured, and how can one conclude they have declined? Is there a quantifiable metric for this that I am not familiar with?

      Do you own a television? Have you noticed how much more skin is being broadcast on TV today than even 10 years ago? Never mind the infil

      • I think it's more impressive to let somebody else explain what I meant. :-) But even if I foe'd him, it'd make no difference. In fact, I think of the accounts you listed, only railgunner is a direct friend. But even so, harking back to my original hacker days, I leave this journal open to everybody to comment on, friend or foe alike. It's all a part of freedom of information to me.

        • damn_registrars is not railgunner, but he is behind the raiigunner troll account. Fun with sans-serif fonts and all.

    • 1. Infidelity- statistically, using not surveys, but an examination of divorce court testimony. A far better indicator.
      2. It is going up per capita- as is living single and a lack of marriage.
      3. Moral Standards can be measured by the teenage pregnancy rate.
      4. One word: Porn.
      5. Most recently the Obama Administration's efforts, but before that the Nixon Era Title X funds, not to mention the UN's population control efforts worldwide.

      • 1. Infidelity- statistically, using not surveys, but an examination of divorce court testimony. A far better indicator.

        And what does that tell you about per capita infidelity? Not every unfaithful marriage in 1968 lead to divorce. More importantly, where did it indicate that infidelity was being measured per capita?

        2. It is going up per capita- as is living single and a lack of marriage.

        Again, how did they determine infidelity to be going up per capita? Being as attitudes towards divorce as an acceptable solution to marriage infidelity have changed as well - without necessitating the acceptance of infidelity - you really can't take the rate of divorce as an indication that infidelity per ca

        • I was using the number of divorce cases that reference infidelity vs those that don't. That the ratio of divorces to population is also up looks like a pretty damn clear indicator to me. What do you want, egg in your beer?

          Teenage pregnancy rates have always been a per-capita indicator, that's why it's called a rate.

          Porn is widely seen as objectification of women, both on the left (feminist) and the right (moral Christians). The fact that more is available is definite proof of the increasing objectificati

          • I was using the number of divorce cases that reference infidelity vs those that don't.

            That is a questionable number, as not every state requires a stated reason for a divorce - often just stating "irreconcilable differences" is sufficient. Hence just because some people are saying infidelity now doesn't mean it didn't happen before.

            That the ratio of divorces to population is also up looks like a pretty damn clear indicator to me. What do you want, egg in your beer?

            What I want - which I stated in my original post in this JE discussion - is a source for the numbers. When I read through the article you linked to, I found a lot of citations to what people said in TV interviews. I want to know where the numbers are coming f

            • "Maybe you have a very different relationship with your wife than I have with mine."

              Yes. I have the sacrament of Holy Matrimony as has been defined by the Church since the Wedding at Cana. In such a relationship, birth control is utterly unnecessary, at best.

              The only reason the US Population has grown since 1973 at all, has been IMMIGRATION. At the rate we're going, people actually born in the United States are going to be a minority.

  • As a counter-example, I present Muslim countries.

    If, it said, the contraceptive mentality was to take hold in any country, that country would see four effects:
    1. An overall lowering of moral standards
    2. A rise in infidelity and illegitimacy
    3. The reduction of women to objects for men's pleasure
    4. Government coercion in reproductive matters

    1. You would claim that they have a low moral standard.
    3. They certainly treat their women little better than objects. In Saudi Arabia women aren't allowed to drive, or even be out of the house without a male escort.
    4. HOW DOES BANNING CONTRACEPTIVES NOT APPLY AS THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

    Switching topics: 2. Illegitimacy, whatever. The highest rates of illegitimacy are among those children taught abstinence-only sex education. ... you know, because they don'

    • No, actually, within the chaos that is Shariah Law and Islamic fundamentalism (it doesn't help that the Koran comes pre-scrambled) I would say that Islamic countries have a very high moral standard. They have no infidelity, or nearly none, because those who commit infidelity are executed. A true Islamic female believer would point out that what you see as objectification, is worship. And finally, I suggest you read the actual source document. No, not that blog posting, and worse yet the Voris video. I m

      • I mean, actually read Humanae Vitae.

        Neither damn_registrars nor snowgirl are intelligent enough to comprehend it, even if they were to attempt to read it.

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