"I take it you don't get a salary? That you get paid by the second?"

I'm an "exempt" employee in California. Salary for over 2 decades.

I also turned down a company car to use my own. I get paid for "miles". $0.70 per. I do not get paid miles going to my office-- but from my office to any given site. At least during M-F. Sometimes I need to hit a site on the weekend, and miles start the moment I leave the driveway of my home.

There is zero expectation that my 8 hours start when I start my drive in to the office. It starts when I arrive. And yes, it's not uncommon (particularly during projects) that I work well over 8 hours. When that happens, we get comp-time at some point in the future.

Which makes me fear for civilization. Think of all the knowledge that will be lost when the 'digital' media (tapes, CDs, magnetic HDDs) is either degraded or the tech is so old we can no longer access it with current formats or machines. I know there is some 'archival' quality CDs, but they are few and far between. Few digital records are on 'archive' quality media.

"People expect to be paid for commute time too, at least in the sense that they will want more money if the commute is longer. Work from home made just coming to the office at all something which people want more money for."

People (employees) make that choice. They might take a longer commute for a job that pays more. It's not up to the employer to PAY for that commute ON TOP of their pay rate for a given job -- at least in my opinion.

"By that reasoning commuting with a vehicle provided by the employer should count as work time..."

Sigh....

You quoted me. There was more to what you were replying to than what you quoted. Read the rest:

"I would suggest that analogies are never "perfect" or "exact" -- they basically highlight similar bits of two different things to HOPEFULLY illustrate some concept or idea. If you are expecting it to be a 100% match, I think you might be misunderstanding what an analogy is."

Wouldn't call this bloat. More of a bug that is unreported: I seem to be the only one experiencing it! This has been happening to me for at least six months. I probably should run it under X11 for a few weeks and see if that behaves better. I suspect it will somehow.

I stick with Firefox because of uBlock origin, and also because I can still manage to force the UI with CSS to look somewhat closer to the way I want it to.

No it is off topic. Not sure why what happened in 1979 to a different aircraft applies to this incident.

The preliminary reports coming out now don't support your assertions at all, particularly the bit about retracting the the slats stalling the wing. The plane did not climb because ultimately 2 of the 3 engines failed.

Firefox does not competely freeze for me but it does very frequently start to get laggy and consume 100% CPU. Even with just a couple of tabs. I have to restart Firefox pretty much every day. I've gone into the CPU profiler and it seems to be something in the glib event loop that is spinning. I'm also wondering if the Wayland back end is part of it.

I stand by my comparison. If the tool I'm provided is an employer-provided workstation, I should get paid the moment I start using it. If the tool I'm provided is a citrix session across a secure connection, I should get paid the moment I connect to it from my home PC.

Don't like the commute analogy? I would suggest that analogies are never "perfect" or "exact" -- they basically highlight similar bits of two different things to HOPEFULLY illustrate some concept or idea. If you are expecting it to be a 100% match, I think you might be misunderstanding what an analogy is.

I think that might matter. Running software through something like a citrix session via a secure connection on their home PC might negate any "when did they actually start working" argument. Much like I don't start getting paid the moment I hop in my car to go to work.

Kind of like a "digital" comminute.

They don't have to actually secure anything, though. All they have to do is stand around and look intimidating. And maybe arrest the occasional voter and demand proof of citizenship. Make you feel like a criminal when you dare to vote. These deployments are not about security. They are about reminding people who's in charge and discouraging voting among certain demographics.

Meanwhile I feel really bad for the national guard troops. Many of them know they are being deployed dishonestly. They are being taken away from their jobs and their families half way across the country to do nothing of any real value to the country. I've read the morale of deployed members in the DC area is very low.

Yep, the fire code is how you know the story is wrong.

Life imitates art I guess. Aunty Wainwright did this back in the 80s in her shop on Last of the summer wine. Although her method was a bit more hands on and personable.

No Samsung ad-displaying fridges? That's good news.

Trump was not elected by the majority of Americans. He won at most 50% of the vote. Turnout was 63% of registered voters. And registered voters is approximately 75% of eligible US citizens. All told that means at most 25% of Americans voted for him. That's still shocking of course. But now you can see why the GOP is all about making voting as difficult as possible so that a mere 25% of the country can continue to force their will on the rest.

Tesla stock is only up a cumulative 6% from the peak it achieved exactly 4 years ago. That is not even close to keeping up with inflation - 18% over the same time period. So if just getting attention from a market flop is a strategy for driving up the share price, I guess it isn't working very well.