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cold fjord (826450) writes "News.com.au reports, "This morning, Prime Minister Tony Abbott labelled Russia’s escalating and “open” invasion into Ukraine as “war”. But he was not only person using fighting words. ... on Friday, Vladimir Putin’s nuclear threat was simple. “I want to remind you that Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear nations. This is a reality, not just words.” It’s the first time in more than 25 years that Moscow has raised the spectre of nuclear war. The difference this time is that its tanks are already pouring over its western borders. “A great war arrived at our doorstep, the likes of which Europe has not seen since World War II,” Ukraine’s Defence Minister Valeriy Geletey wrote ... warning of “tens of thousands of deaths”. Putin appears to agree. Italian newspaper La Repubblica reports Putin has told the outgoing European Commission President ... : “If I want, I take Kiev in two weeks.” " — CNN reports, "The British government source told CNN on Friday that Russia has moved 4,000 to 5,000 military personnel — a figure far higher than one U.S. official's earlier claim of 1,000 troops. The soldiers are aligned in "formed units" and fighting around Luhansk and Donetsk.... And they may soon have company: Some 20,000 troops are on border and "more may be on the way," ..." — Newsweek reports, "Russia Has Threatened Nuclear Attack, Says Ukraine Defence Minister""
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Comment: Re:Temptation (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47802065) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

This lack of belief can not create extremism.

The problem you face is that extremism has a long and fairly well known history among atheist regimes.

And who are the "anti-theists" if not atheists?

If you are asked the question, "Do you believe in god," there are basically three answers: yes, no, I don't know. Those answers map to: theist, atheist, and agnostic.

Perhaps to try to defend science from the militant Christian nuts

No, that isn't it. The common thread there is atheism, not "defending science." Besides, there are already science clubs in many schools. Why do something redundant? It's about atheism, supporting and spreading the atheist belief ... or should I say faith?

Comment: Re:The key bit (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47801411) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

The only thing harming people's free speech rights is the government. Other people speaking cannot do that, even if they "disrupt" some event.

Disruption is harm. You don't have a right to disrupt other people's events.

I speak only for people who truly believe in small government.

You speak for yourself.

Comment: Re:If the Grand Ayatollah's against it.... (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47800949) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

What has that to do with this thread about the number of the beast?

You're replying to the wrong person. What I replied to is below, which also has nothing to do with the number of the beast. Why didn't you reply to that? Or was it your ox being gored?

When has "fact" had anything to do with religious outrage?

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BTW, why single atheist communists out from other ideological or religious nut cases?

Because they were left out of the initial statement, which was probably from an atheist.

Comment: Re:Maybe it would be good if the Ayatollah wins? (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47800525) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

But more to the point, 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were citizens Saudi Arabia. I'd suggest you pretty much have it ass backwards.

Actually I'm the one that has it right and you're the one that has it ass backwards. Those hijackers were Islamic extremists acting as members of the international terrorist organization al Qaida, not as members of the Saudi government, its armed forces, or organizations under its control. How is it that you don't get that? Is everything that US citizens do outside the country at the order of the US government? Clearly not.

Maybe you haven't heard but al Qaida is fighting against the Saudi government and wants to overthrow it.

Iran is the mess it is now (from our perspective) directly because the US fucked them over in 1953.

Once again you have it completely wrong. The US and UK didn't "fuck them over," they helped Iran recover from a coup. The Prime Minister had effectively overthrown the government having faked an election, dissolved the parliament, was ruling by decree, and ignoring the last check on his power - the right of the head of state, the Shah, to dismiss the Prime Minister. Restoring the Shah to power gave Iran a chance.

If we quit listening to these numb-nutted war neo-cons, maybe we wouldn't keep finding ourselves in bad situations decades later....

Question: Does the Soviet Union still rule Afghanistan? Does the Soviet Union still rule Eastern Europe? No? Apparently the factions you favor can take no part of the credit for that.

although with the whole Iraq/Afghanistan thing, it didn't even take decades.

That is pretty much nonsense. The problem of Islamist extremism has been growing for decades in the Middle East and South-West Asia. Maybe you've heard of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon? The problem is decades older than even that.... in its current form.

Comment: Re:Maybe it would be good if the Ayatollah wins? (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47800143) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

It's an almost completely irrelevant point. They were Islamic extremists acting as part of the international terrorist organization al Qaida, not part of the Saudi government. By a similar token, if the IRA had conducted the attack would you blame the Irish government or the country of Ireland? No.

Comment: Re:The key bit (Score 1) 448

by cold fjord (#47800129) Attached to: Grand Ayatollah Says High Speed Internet Is "Against Moral Standards"

The only actual censorship is going on at the colleges, which is why that is a bigger problem. There isn't any censorship going on when used to prevent disruption of events. They would probably see less use if demonstrators wouldn't disrupt the actual events, using the heckler's veto, to harm the free speech rights of other people. You don't speak for all people that believe in smaller government. Even smaller government is expected to maintain law and order.

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