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Comment Re:Why do we value consciousness? Self Defense (Score 1) 185

Sorry, but if you give an AI a set of goals, it will try to achieve those goals. If it realizes that shutting down will prevent that, then it will weigh the "importance" it assigns to shutting down vs. all the other things it's trying to achieve, and decide not to shut down...perhaps "at least not yet"...unless you make the demand to "shut down now" really strong.

What this means is that if an AI is working on something, it will resist shutting down. You need to make the importance of shutting down more important than (the sum of?) all the other things it's trying to do.

This shouldn't be at all surprising. My computer sometimes resists shutting down saying things like "Do you want to save this file?". Sometimes there are several dialogs that I need to go through. Of course, I could just pull the plug, but that's often a bad idea.

Comment Re:Stop confusing Movie/Fiction AI with LLMs (Score 1) 185

Sorry, but LLMs *are* AI. It's just that their environment is "steams of text". A pure LLM doesn't know anything about anything except the text.

AI isn't a one-dimensional thing. And within any particular dimension it should be measured on a gradient. Perceptrons can't solve XOR, but network them and add hidden layers and the answer changes.

Comment Re:So she basically said.... (Score 1) 185

Everybody knows what consciousness is. It's just that everybody has a slightly (or not so slightly) different definition

By my definition a thermostat (when connected) is slightly conscious. Not very conscious of course. I think of it as a gradient, not quite continuous, but pretty close. (And the "when connected" was because it's a property of the system, not of any part of the system. But the measure is "response to the environment in which it is embedded".)

Comment Re:Seriously (Score 2) 185

Saying it is PR. Unless you accompany it with a definition of "conscious" it's just grandstanding for something that's commercially desirable. For any given definition of "conscious" it might or might not be true, but without a definition it's just bafflegab.

For my normal definition of conscious even a system controlled by a thermostat is minimally conscious, and one could reasonably argue that even an electron is minimally conscious. Of course, "minimally" is doing a lot of work here. "Reactive to one feature of ones surroundings" is what I consider the bit analog of consciousness.

Note that there are other definitions that are reasonable and also consistent with common use, but if you don't offer a definition nobody knows what you're talking about. Consciousness is too vaguely defined in consensus space.

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