Then wait until they are driverless, armed and trained to shoot.

Mod this up, probably the most important point in this discussion.

And the lawyers ran it past the AI law expert agent, closing the circle.

Indeed. Back in the early 80s I showed the Eliza to someone in school and they promptly set up a feminine clone configured for amorous conversations on a BBS. A day or two later someone asked the bot out and went to the date with a rose, only to meet a crowd of classmates laughing at him. Ironically, a few days later he hooked up with one of the girls that was there to ridicule him.

The "AI" works in mysterious ways.

Yeah, yeah, they didn't design and release on purpose a model expected to boost their user numbers by being "pleasant" to interact with because it validates the bullshit people believe in.

Just like the cuckerberg outfit didn't develop algorithms that make people angry and motivated to click and shitpost even more.

All tech is, like, benevolent and run for your own good.

146% true!

And you think this "ban" will help how? All it can do is make things worse. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect? Works for kids too. And it will probably make it worse in other ways too, because now some kids will try to hide that they are active on social media. Oh, and the step towards a surveillance-society is much, much worse than what social media ever did to kids. And will continue to do.

When it is the gate to the world? I think you are underestimating kids. Also note that one kid figuring it out means the while school knows a few days later...

Ok, sorry. It did sound like "LOL, L2P!".

The point is really not when it happens, but that it happens. It may have been at 6 or 7, I played last probably 12 years ago or so.

Extra irony on the fact that many places we are in an arcade renaissance of sorts, there's like 4 in my area, but they're just for adults, they serve booze.

I ran my own BBS back in the day as a teenager. Most of the people on BBSes were there because they had an interest in computers, whereas most of the people on modern social media couldn't care less about the technology and are there to discuss something else. It used to be that you had to have some basic knowledge to get online, now phones come preloaded with the Facebook app.

Basically, the normies/"Eternal Septembers" took over.

Yeah, the Russians!

Wherever you got this information from I assure you information to the contrary is available. One side is pushing this narrative pretty hard...

Then stop bringing up morality. Is this hard international diplomacy or morals? Come on, you cant pontificate on both ways, the word "morals" has come out of your side on his discussion 10x of mine. What you refuse to accept is your position is as just a moral one of mine. We're either both moralizing or we're both not so stop saying that pedantic bullshit and you know it's bullshit because most people talking about this aren't actually in the war.

The only reason to say this is for some virtue superiority? It's fucking useless statement, not worth the keystrokes to type out. What are we doing here?

Oh so easy to have both sides of the argument when you just say I'm the one moralizing and you are not. Stop saying morals already , please

Again, ask the Ukrainians, you got got like all the literal textbook Russian talking points out there, somehow your media diet has given them to you and you refuse to believe there is another side of the story. At the very least we're both in the mud buddy.

Also generally in the scope of the world, here in America and the land of our allies I don't think it's a good practical, logistical, economical , diplomatic and yes even moral to let an autocratic dictator take over a fledgling European democracy just because he wants it and destabilize an entire region of the world and everyone food and other economic factors. Not outcome of this war achieves the justifications Putin says they want. Is it work Ukrainian lives? Again that's up to them, they can surrender and negotiate anytime they want.

There is a word for this that your position really grounds out to: appeasement. Let the dictator have 1/3 of Ukraine because he wants it and so long as he's willing to put some of his troops in harms way then he gets to have it right? Think of the children, he's just gotta be allowed to take it. Then he promises to stop. Pinky swear!

I definitely don't disagree with this as an option it's just very humorously American. Guns, that's our first answer for every problem!

Maybe. But above of some level of fail and delusion you do not get access to the good layers anymore. Just look at Trump.

Well, IBM was basically a zombie 10 years ago. Something will have to stake them to put them out of their misery. Fully agree on Microsoft. Their stuff is only getting worse at this time and was pretty bad before. And their cloud got hacked several times now and had really, really bad vulnerabilities were nobody knows whether they were attacked or not (which makes things worse). They clearly do not have what it takes to survive with the increased need for IT security we have today.

Life is doing long-term damage. You need to stop listening to the propaganda.