You missing Amanda Jamitinya badly, aren't ya?
You missing Amanda Jamitinya badly, aren't ya?
Only if you're polluting more than your fair share, comrade.
Nah, mate... I'm not polluting even my share.
What I saw as significant:
* an example of what FB can do with the data it owns
* the fact that it hired professionals to do it as a permanent job
The above is rather close to the "analizing" meaning, at least in what pertains to their users base.
Indonesia's phone system is fairly meh in the first place. This isn't something terribly difficult to achieve.
Only because something is possible or even easy doesn't necessarily imply one should do it.
I'm Australian and the last thing we need right now is to piss off the Indonesians further. I kinda wish these documents were kept under wraps forever to be honest.
I'm Australian and I kinda wished that the Aussie spooks wouldn't be so damned interested about Indonesian shrimp trade.: call me stupid, but I believe knowing this is not making Australia more secure.
"Intelligence is judged like in sport, two boxers fighting in the ring. They punch and they counter-punch... They attack and they defend themselves, but it is in the ring — the ring of intelligence. If the officials, in this case politicians, interfere in the case, that is wrong. That is very wrong."
Now that it is in the political arena, the politicians have overreacted, he said.
"I hope that both our leaders, SBY as well as Tony Abbott should not be too emotional... Please do not deteriorate [the relationship] because of a very small thing. This is a very technical thing."
Translation "spooks to govt: Give us your money and keep your dirty noses out of our game: it's none of your business, you see... it's too technical for you to even understand something".
The only thing that wasn't explicitly said is "... or else".
And this should function as a justification for what NSA is doing? Is it meant to offer me (a citizen which pays taxes these damn'd spooks live on) assurances of a responsible behavior consistent with respect of human rights and liberties?
Pray tell, exactly how the info about the Indonesian shrimp and clove cigarettes trade is something that justifies the violation of lawyer-client confidentiality?
2. Assuming this is not this, how can a country maintain military intelligence without doing this?
Oh, yes. That's un-possible. Poor US Army, what it could do if missing the critical information about the Indonesian trade of shrimp and cloves cigarettes?
The law firm was advising Indonesia in relation to trade disputes with the US over the export of shrimp and clove cigarettes. In the latter case the World Trade Organization ruled the United States had violated international trade laws.
According to the classified document, Australian intelligence agents covertly monitored talks between Indonesian officials and the law firm, and offered to share the information obtained with America’s National Security Agency (NSA).
Foreign Minister Natalegawa admitted on Monday that he was perplexed by the claims, the latest in a string of damming revelations about the extent of Australia’s espionage activities in the region.
"I find that a bit mind-boggling and a bit difficult how I can connect or reconcile discussion about shrimps and how it impacts on Australia’s security,” Natalegawa told reporters at a joint press conference with US Secretary of State John Kerry, who is on a two-day visit to Jakarta.
You seem to have missed the context. Note this statement that I was responding to:
Listening in on dialogues relating to trade disputes has capitalism written all over it.
Two can be picky about the context. The original context:
What's the bet that the US administration has less control over its intelligence machinations than the capitalists (wanted to say oligarchy...)?
Pretty much every major country is going to try to gather intelligence on matters important to it. Do you deny that?
What could be so important for a major and supposedly democratic country to disregard the liberties of all and any person in this world, their own citizens included?
What could be so important that the spying is extended to the officials of another country they are not at war with and neither made a threat with war ?
I don't know what I dislike the most:
* the idea that US administration doesn't have enough control over NSA; or
* the idea the US administration is complicit... nay, scratch that... is deliberately asking NSA to do all these things.
So you think that the Indonesians don't do that sort of thing? Or the Chinese (communists)? Or the Soviets back in the day? LOL
Pissing context again? Is it indeed desirable to have NSA winning the competition with the NKVD of the older days?
It becomes boring... com'on, what parents you have that didn't teach you this is not a valid justification for wrong-doings.
Another megabytes the dust.