If you spend time with the higher-tier (paid) reasoning models, you’ll see they already operate in ways that are effectively deductive (i.e., behaviorally indistinguishable) within the bounds of where they operate well. So not novel theorem proving. But give them scheduling constraints, warranty/return policies, travel planning, or system troubleshooting, and they’ll parse the conditions, decompose the problem, and run through intermediate steps until they land on the right conclusion. That’s not "just chained prediction". It’s structured reasoning that, in practice, outperforms what a lot of humans can do effectively.

When the domain is checkable (e.g., dates, constraints, algebraic rewrites, SAT-style logic), the outputs are effectively indistinguishable from human deduction. Outside those domains, yes it drifts into probabilistic inference or “reading between the lines.” But to dismiss it all as “not deduction at all” ignores how far beyond surface-level token prediction the good models already are. If you want to dismiss all that by saying “but it’s just prediction,” you’re basically saying deduction doesn’t count unless it’s done by a human. That’s just redefining words to try and win an Internet argument.

They do quite a bit more than that. There's a good bit of reasoning that comes into play and newer models (really beginning with o3 on the ChatGPT side) can do multi-step reasoning where it'll first determine what the user is actually seeking, then determine what it needs to provide that, then begin the process of response generation based on all of that.

This is not a surprise, just one more data point that LLMs fundamentally suck and cannot be trusted.

Huh? LLMs are not perfect and are not expert-level in every single thing ever. But that doesn't mean they suck. Nothing does everything. A great LLM can fail to produce a perfect original proof but still be excellent at helping people adjust the tone of their writing or understanding interactions with others or developing communication skills, developing coping skills, or learning new subjects quickly. I've used ChatGPT for everything from landscaping to plumbing successfully. Right now it's helping to guide my diet, tracking macros and suggesting strategies and recipes to remain on target.

LLMs are a tool with use cases where they work well and use cases where they don't. They actually have a very wide set of use cases. A hammer doesn't suck just because I can't use it to cut my grass. That's not a use case where it excels. But a hammer is a perfect tool for hammering nails into wood and it's pretty decent at putting holes in drywall. Let's not throw out LLMs just because they don't do everything everywhere perfectly at all times. They're a brand new novel tool that's suddenly been put into millions of peoples' hands. And it's been massively improved over the past few years to expand its usefulness. But it's still just a tool.

If I as china, first think I would do would make those factories nonoperational. Those factories are needed by the US, to combat china. China has their own chip fabs.

Its less that trump is in office, and more that he is being giving powers and almost unchallenged while most of the left complains about elon being hitler or other dumb tangents.

I swear they are letting trump consolidate power, because they "know" after his idiocy they have the election in the bag, and want that power themselves.

Most of the restaurants I go to don't even serve alcohol. Of course, I live in Utah, which is at the very bottom of the alcohol consumption per capita chart. Here restaurants all have normal fountain drinks, water, and then a wide array of specialty drinks, many of which are just normal sodas with some stuff added in.

Being a restaurant owner is hard. The margins on most food is slim. The margins on drinks (alcoholic or not), on the other hand, are ridiculous. There's a reason why sit down restaurants start you with something to drink, and why fast food places bundle sodas. To a very real extent these businesses make their money upselling you from drinking plain water.

While I do agree that we don't need as much as the protein industry claims, that ~50 g/day is minimum, and doesn't not take into account rebuilding, muscle growth, etc.

I would suggest people losing weight up their protein a bit to help prevent loss of muscle as well as people actively doing physical exercise where they want to get stronger.

Also the older you are, the more you need to maintain, and for people young and growing, need more too.

I'm trying to keep mine in the 60-75 range, if I get to going back to gym I will be eating more like 70-100 range.

I agree, and really, clicking the link isn't falling for it, filling out information on the bogus site (or downloading/running something)

If I see an email that looks legit, I can't highlight and see the url now days, I only get to see that after clicking the link and opening page in web browser.

The real problem is companies making it impossible to contact them about anything. Give me an easy to get to phone number and chat box option. Even a I want to send a message option seams to be disappearing, just an endless loop of pages that don't help that then point you to contact them that is really just a feed back into the loop of unhelpful help articles.

If the company had presented an easy phone number, the AI or search results would have given it.

Precisely. This is going to be used against the owners of the hardware, not for them. I suspect that these containers are very secure. It's just too bad that my phone is the one device that I own where I do not have root access. This security is not going to be used to protect my data from Google, but to protect Google's data from me.

Hooray!

the phrase you mention "Africa wins again", I'm not sure I follow what you mean by that. best I can find is that it means the land can break anything.

I am not sure this is correct for what you imply?

There is no requirement games need high end hardware!!!

and honestly since about 2008ish, games graphics in actualy game play while playing seem good enough. And the games I am seeing a lot of young people play are minecraft or lower graphic games. Even seeing pixil art or quake3ish engine in use by youtubers.

I am actually fine with legal immigration, but immigration does cost a nation (thus its people) money, and puts a further strain on local resources.

My wife, a legal immigrant cost me multiple thousands dollars with me picking up more slack to take care of, and I know she added more costs that wasn't directly paid by me.

It also causes higher prices of all resources from food to housing, higher crime, lower wages, and does change nice neighborhoods to not nice. By nice/not nice lets say people who take care of yard, don't do activities that spell over to neighbors (like noise, parking on street, standing/playing on others yards, etc)

I've read that taking migrant/refugees cost US tax dollars 15-20k a year for the first 5 years. That doesn't include the above paragraph. And the special emergency shelter/care migrants/family shelters around 100k/year per person. Though that may be special cases like new york renting hotels or some such, but the point is, it cost money and puts strain on all resources here.

What you describe is being done in remote corners of random places to serve as electric charge stations. Apply same thing to a place that is all about cars and people traveling.

And I was referencing real gas stations. 8 would be the smallest I have seen in the last 20 years, and I am primarily suggesting the bigger that are fed customers by freeway/highway, places that can refuel 12+ cars. I think I've seen plenty of flyin-j and the like that do 30+

but my point is having random charging stations places in the most inconvenient places with no bathrooms(or any amenities).

We had family visit us renting an electric car electric car as they thought they would save money. Well the 2 day trip turned to 5 day, and we did the math on their cost of electric to my vans cost of gas doing the same trip a month earlier and it was close. Not add in the extra hotel and the fact they still had to stop at gas stations.

They also did some extra driving as some charging stations they drove past because of how sketchy it was or it was closed or some such.

I work for a university now, and they mandated copilot, sometimes I's suprising helpfull, but more often it is inacturate. I even tried using a low ball of tell me all the remote systems, databases, ldap, AD and even local config files from from a medium size perl file and it was so grossly wrong missing things like $remote_ldap_host and creating it's own config files and such. I can't even have it check itself.

Did this with chatgtp free, and it wasn't much better.

Sometimes its great but its unreliable