Comment Typical mindless "green" thinking (Score 1) 254
Yeah, it's all some grand oil-soaked conspiracy, THAT's the TICKET!
This is Slashdot, where people USED to be at least a little geeky and technical and all that stuff... so try thinking about the details of the Biden admin "green" scam on car mileage standards. Those standards were not unlike the Clinton admin "clean water" standards; they were a grand fraud meant to be used for politics and never to actually be employed. In the case of the Clinton water standards, they were not due to kick-in until after he would be out of office, and they required water authorities to clean their waste water to the point that it would be cleaner than the water in any normal lake or river before discharging it - a standard both insane (cleaner than nature before dumping into nature?) AND impossibly expensive (think of the little towns of 5 or 7 thousand people in "fly over" country where the tax base is tiny and there is no way to afford NASA-level water purification). When George W Bush (who I dislike and normally do not defend) got in and eliminated those standards (leaving the standards EXACTLY what they'd been all through the Clinton years) the howls from the left about Bush and Republicans wanting toxic dirty water were everywhere. There were lots of posts here on Slashdot by lefties ranting about those EVIL Republicans wanting toxic water. The whole thing (the new standards AND the reaction to their cancellation) was total political BS designed to fool ignorant people not paying attention.
Same thing here.
Have you thought of what it would require to MEET these new Biden standards, which Biden was never going to have to implement and live with the consequences of?
Do you have ANY freaking grasp of what tech would be required to make an internal combustion-powered vehicle that meets the needs of middle class families in middle America, does so SAFELY enough they want to put their families in them, and AFFORDABLY? Did you ever take any math, physics, and mechanics [the classical, not the automotive type] classes? Do you have any clue about how difficult it is to design and build such a thing, and not only get it through government approvals but then also have the design be able to be mass-produced in an affordable way that generates enough profit to keep the manufacturer in business AND still be something a family on an average income can afford? Remember: that new complies-with-Biden-rules vehicle would not only have to be getting 50 miles to the gallon, but it would have to survive all the crash tests and meet all the safety standards (or it cannot be sold) while hauling perhaps 5 or 6 people and a bunch of luggage/groceries/pets/etc and do it in all weather. Remember: this is not some academic exercise, we're talking REAL WORLD here, this impacts the buyers/drivers and passengers, the manufacturers, and indeed the entire economy. Some moron professor can pump a bunch of kids' brains full of this fluff all day long, without ever having had to earn a paycheck on planet Earth IMPLEMENTING anything - but that does not make his idyllic ideas worth anything more than the day dreams of a typical six-year-old in a sandbox.
The standard was clearly not intended to be achievable, and Biden admin people admitted as much; they were aligned with Gavin Newsom in CA who has said he intends HIS California standards to eliminate ICE vehicles and force everybody to go electric. This means the new standards were a FRAUD perpetrated on the public for POLITICAL reasons. Because I'm a nice guy, I'll move-on here and let's presume that this was all some well-intentioned we-know-better-than-you save-the-planet push into an all-electric utopian future...
Have you thought through how workable THAT take on the Biden rules scam was? Just how much more electricity needs to be available on the grid if you want to eliminate all gasoline-powered and diesel-powered cars and trucks to go electric? Have any of these politicians pushing this stuff made ANY provisions for that StarTrekian future??? Let's examine California, which insists all cars sold in 2035 (less than nine years from now to that car model year) and beyond be electric: The state is knocking down dams, shutting down nuclear plants, kicking-out the fossil fuel industry, etc and making illusory "green" progress by importing energy from other states (who then won't have those same "green" kilo-Watt hours for THEIR people to use) to claim progress. The grid is not being improved to move electricity around the state more efficiently, indeed the grid here is home to many miles of decaying infrastructure that sometimes triggers wildfires so massive that they dump vastly more carbon into the air than is being reduced by the "green" push. There are already times of day here when people are asked not to charge their e-cars WITH THE EXISTING SIZE FLEET OF ELECTRICS. Where is all the electricity to some from if all the autos go electric? Have you ever been bothered to do the MATH on what's required, or do you just trust the EXPERTS (political hacks) who are not themselves implementing ANYTHING to make this workable? Say what you want about the oil people and the "old" car companies making gas burner cars, but at least THEY make real-world solutions to the needs of normal people in the real world.
There's another part of this massive fraud that you guys never even consider: MAKING all those new e-cars. Have you ever listened to Elon Musk (a guy who at least seems inclined to support e-cars [cough]Tesla[cough]) address this? He has pointed out that the heavy-industry which is the auto industry has, over many decades, optimized itself to produce the approximate number of cars annually that the public will buy at normal turn-over rates which the public can afford (people have limited funds and need housing, food, healthcare, etc in addition to cars). If the industry over-builds it goes bankrupt with huge surplus inventories. If it under-builds it invites new entrants and new competitors, which it does not want, so it naturally becomes finely-tuned over time as an industry as a natural consequence of the economics. As a result, Musk has pointed out that if we stopped all gas car production and switched the industry to all-electric it would take (optimistically) about 25 years to build the required number of cars. The politicians pushing these "green" regulations are only allowing about ten years.
THIS is one problem with career politicians who have never done one damned productive thing in their lives, and whose degrees are in politics, government, or law, writing and enforcing such rules upon fields that require ENGINEERING and heavy manufacturing. It's easy for some moron who has never designed a product that needs to be mass-produced using heavy tooling, and never designed a product that has to clear safety standards and get regulatory approvals, and never designed a product that will KILL people if designed wrong, to make these sorts of fairy dust and unicorn fart fueled "green" rules, regulations, and laws. Anybody pushing these "green" policies should be forced to ENGINEER a safe, workable, manufacturable, affordable, practical, consumer-desireable solution that meets them... and be imprisoned for life at hard labor if they fail to do it in under three years (it takes time to work out the manufacturing, build or modify manufacturing facilities, re-train production line workers, and get through the government regulatory certifications, so that ten year window until these green dream regulations kick-in is really less than 5 for designing and prototyping). Since the people pushing these policies never seem to have the personal fortunes to IMPLEMENT them, and always depend of using the force of politics and law to make other people spend the cash on implementation, the phrase "put your money where your mouth is" cannot be applied - hence my proposal that they be made to put their butts where their mouths are (at hard labor if they fail) applies.