Those aren't typically going to fail until the vehicle is significantly older. I had my last vehicle (a hybrid) for nearly 8 years, only thing I had to replace was the small 12v battery at the usual interval for car batteries. Do cars even have timing belts anymore?
That's not for you to decide, not in a free country.
You can keep extending on to greater and greater levels of extremism but the reality is, anything less than yes yields years of lawsuits and even more regulation. Who makes the decision on where the line is? If you say the line is X and refuse to make it, and this now arbitrary group decides you are wrong its Y, then the fines could kill your business. Thus, in practice the answer will be yes anyway.
That sounds rather defeatist. You're basically saying that we can't hope to stand up against the man and the special interests, so why bother. Ugh.
Could just be that they have different beliefs and don't care to involve themselves in things that don't interest them.
Yes and Yes. The cost of freedom of speech is that I must allow the person I consider to be a bigoted idiot speak (i.e.: Westboro Baptist Church) so that I may speak what I wish.
No, I can't agree with that. You can't force the proprietor of the business to do anything the customer wants. Let's say the baker's kid just died, is it okay for a customer to demand that the baker ice the cake saying something nasty about the dead kid? It's freedom of speech, right? For some people, something religious will invoke a similarly strong emotion. Why would the state demand that the customer have more rights than the business person?
I get the hotel and gas station argument, but I don't buy the absolutism. It stinks of "zero-tolerance" policies which are rarely (if ever) good ideas.
Why do you presume hatred?
Businesses have markets. Markets are not biases. The people who own the business have biases. They cannot let their biases influence which classes of people they will serve.
What about a company like "Curves" whose market is women? It's not bias driven (I assume), but it does limit the "class" of people they serve.
I don't think this is as clear-cut as many seem to think it is.
Say you have a company that markets itself as a christian tour group that visits holy sites important to that faith. Can they refuse a group of staunch atheists out of fear that they might ruin the expensive trip for the other customers?
BUT, once you open a PUBLIC business then you must treat all classes of people the same regardless of what your PRIVATE beliefs are.
Fox favors conservatives, MSNBC favors liberals. BET favors black entertainers. Businesses have biases.
Where I grew up there was ONE Hotel. If they refuse to allow you to stay, and its 11PM at night you get to drive 90 minutes to 2 hours to the next Hotel. If they refuse where do you go from there? What about grocery stores? Gas stations? That is why for places of "Public Accommodation" you must serve the public or be a private place fully with no public walk up service.
I see that, but someone else mentioned that this whole issue came up because of a bakery and a wedding cake. If businesses can't refuse service, does that baker have to put any decoration on a cake no matter how repulsive they might find it? Heck, someone could force a gay print shop to print religious fliers condemning homosexuality. Would that be okay?
Finally, if we want real freedom of this, then why don't I have the freedom FROM religion? Why does this bill not allow me to refuse to serve people who are religious and refuse to serve others?
Freedom from religion would require that the government prevent others from practicing religion. The second question is quite interesting.
BP had to clean up the spill because it's against the law to destroy the environment.
I understand the harm to the community point you're making, but aren't you also harming the practice of religion at the same time? It seems like both should be on equal footing, but I don't see that there's a workable solution to accomplish that.
Then pile on top of that someone calls in sick to say Walgreen's and the check out person refuses to serve someone they perceive as gay, and boom- they have a PR nightmare b/c the other checkout person called out sick and the fill in is not in yet. Not the kind of scheduling, HR, or PR nightmares that any company wants to deal with.
Good point. That's already a problem in some places. I've heard of cases where a pharmacist refuses to fill the morning after pill because of their beliefs. Taken to an extreme though, would it be agreeable to force a doctor who doesn't want to perform abortions to do so? Where do we stop, or do we? Why would the doctor have a choice but not the pharmacist? I'm not picking one point-of-view over another, I just think it's an interesting conflict of competing rights.
No. It would be similar to allowing restaurants to refuse to serve black customers.
Not really. This is one right battling another right. One group wants to be able to practice their religious beliefs without fearing legal retribution, while another group wants to counter that right claiming their own right to be served as people. Segregationists weren't practicing a right.
I guess you're not planning on hiring any religious fundamentalists then? Keep the law, and the state is "hostile" towards homosexuals. Strike the law, and the state becomes "hostile" towards religious people.
Is there any middle ground here?
Regardless of one's feelings regarding human sexuality, how is the proposed law not "pro-business"? The law gives businesses a choice. Offering business a choice is pro-business. Taking choices away would be anti-business.
$70k is going to buy a heck of lot of gas and routine service, especially if the comparison vehicle is a relatively efficient hybrid.
Figure $3.50 for gas.. that's 20k gallons. 40mpg, that's 800k miles. Subtract a bit for periodic 6mo maintenance, I bet a lot of us would be trading in for something newer before we ever hit the point where the Tesla ends up cheaper. The Tesla owners almost certainly would be trading in sooner, shiny object complex. Repair costs remain to be seen.