Not true.

Guy got convicted for hate speech for preaching against homosexuality in Sweden. He didn't make threats or incitements, he blathered about it being evil and against magic sky man's will, all that crap. It was overturned, but he was convicted at one point.

Gregorius Nekschot was arrested in Holland for violation of hate speech laws, I didn't see any incitement and it wasn't work related.

Ezra Levant got dragged before some bureaucrat to defend his speech in Canada. Holocaust deniers are of course fair game in parts of Europe, and that's literally just having an idiotic opinion. See also Pedro Varela.

Nice strawman, and I even think you threw in some kind of retarded reverse slippery slope bullshit in there too. I never said they were all the same, I said this ridiculous concept of "illegal ideas" isn't specific to the third world, though like everything else their punishment is a hell of a lot worse.

You're like one of those douches who argues that since I think there's too much taxation I must think there should be 0 taxation, and that to raise any issues about how much we're taxed or how that tax money is spent means I must be for private roads and anarchy.

What should be illegal is speech which poses a threat of imminent danger or rises to the level of threats of bodily harm. Fraudulent statements should be illegal. Slander/libel (though with a fairly high bar of proof on behalf of the slandered person) should be illegal. Trafficking in child porn (actual, not virtual).

What _should not_ be illegal is easier to classify - basically any statement of opinion or support of an idea, regardless of how stupid the idea. Holocaust denial, sexism, racism, homophobia, even the ridiculous 99% vs 1% incitement should be legal unless they actually call for hangings and executions.

You want to know what's fucking facile? The argument that since we will always have government controls over something that we shouldn't criticize or debate the extent of those controls.

"Oh, well Jolly Fuck All. Since we will always have taxation, what's your problem with an 80% rate? I mean what the fuck kind of idiot doesn't know we will always have death and taxes?!".

I'm unclear about the number of levels of indirection and sarcasm in your first paragraph due to that last sentence. Therefore I will ignore the last sentence and play your first paragraph as mostly straight.

Yes, homophobia is acceptable as is spouting racism. Hating women is fine too. Just don't assault someone and you can be as much of a homophobic, racist, sexist fuckstain as you want.

Lol, now you're also trying to pretend all religious "CONSERVATIVES" are the same. I'm atheist, myself, but even I can see the difference between your typical bible thumper here in the states and an Islamic radical who wants to behead a woman for having the audacity to be raped. Not that there aren't radical kook Christians who are insane as well, but by and large it's far less common.

Your false, pointless dichotomy is fucking amusing to me. Let's grow beyond being 5 years old and look at censorship independently of what someone else is doing. I condemn assholes who want "DEATH" for what someone said. I also condemn assholes who want PRISON or FINES for what someone said because it offends their delicate worldview.

Kooks on both sides. It would technically be against the law to make a "Oh, those bad woman drivers" comment in some parts of Europe. Or to tell a racist joke. Or to mock an extremely effeminate gay person.

It's simply the progression from human rights being important to societal "rights" trumping those human rights. In some cases that's necessary, but the bar is pretty low in some places.

I'm amused by your risible attempt to conflate radical Islam with "right wingers" in general. I mean it's a nice try, but right wing runs the gamut from people who think our government spends too much money to people who think we should have Shariah or Bible law enforced at gunpoint. It's a meaninglessly large bucket.

I agree those first things should be illegal. That was my point, simply expressing an opinion about certain things that _aren't_ immediately dangerous is illegal in much of the "developed" world.

You and others missing something. I agree it should be illegal to say things which are a threat or which create an immediate danger. The problem is that simply expressing an often stupid opinion is illegal in many places around the world, and not just the third world.

Wow, that's a compelling argument. I'd put it a step above "You are a doody head" and a step below "Nuh uh".

I suggest you go to Sweden and preach how you find homosexuality to be abhorrent and against "God's" will. Or maybe go to Germany and say really love Hitler. Or that you think Arabs in poor neighborhoods are dangerous thieves.

I don't agree with any of that, but it's a fundamental right to be an idiot and to express that idiocy as you will. But I'm just preaching to the choir, as you clearly already know that.

Haha, modded "troll". I can only guess the irony of this is lost on whoever did that, but I like their style.

Lol, yeah what's wrong with putting this guy to death for tweeting that? I mean frankly he deserves it.