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But no matter how many people tell you they were badly treated by an OSS project, you're going to call them liars. Insisting that they give up their slashdot anonymity to give you examples
And why? Because you are one of the established OSS people that does the abuse of newcomers. And you're doing it again right here.
Is 4chan the kind of place where people require some kind of evidence before believing random people on the internet making unsubstantiated claims?
No, its the kind of place where trolls say "pics or it didn't happen" then other trolls create a composite in photoshop. I don't know if they invented the phrase, but they certainly popularised it. Presumably you've never heard of goatse or GNAA and are unaware of where they originated. Guess.
Obviously NSFW, and not recommended at any other time either. Sticking hot knives in your eyes would be a preferable activity.
Because the more successful ones let n00bs contribute code?
The more successful ones don't let programmers run the show. Good programmers tend to be awful managers.
Is that not finished yet? It only took two people a couple of years to write the original.
Do you actually spend much time on 4chan, or are you just aspiring to be that kind of jackass?
Aaah so there are no TRUE scotsmen^Wpaid OSS developer jobs.
Your problem there is that I never said there are no paid OSS developer jobs. So not my no true Scotsman, but your strawman.
So yeah, I have interacted with many OSS developers even notoriously flamy ones and never been flamed. Because I am polite, respectful and cricually I treat their time as more important than my own, because to them it is.
And I've also seen many flames.
What's clearly coming across here is that you're an established frat-boy who knows the arcane rules and implied hierarchy already, and denies that hazing happens, whist admitting that it does happen to those that deserve it. After all, they must deserve it, otherwise they wouldn't be hazed.
Thanks for demonstrating my point so well.
This is why Linux never succeeded on the desktop. But when an entirely commercial organisation took on designing a Linux user interface - Android - with programmers implementing designs from UX experts, suddenly it's successful.
Chances of you landing a paid OSS job without first putting in years of unpaid work on the project. Pretty small. And in order to get those years, you've first got to get past the beginner hazing that TWiTfan was referring to.
You think there aren't enjoyable programming jobs in the real world?
So, where are the emails of Torvalds flaming TWiTfan? He claimed he was personally put off. And you reply as evidence that some completely unrelated random person was flamed by someone else entirely.
So what you are saying is while there's ample evidence of it happening to others, you're just calling TWiTfan a liar because you don't believe it happened to him.
I think you just became your own example.
Sadly, most OSS projects need technical writers and designers more than they need more programmers. But many of them only let in programmers, most of whom can't write or design worth a shit (and would consider it beneath them even if they could). And most technical writers and designers who do try to sign up get turned off pretty fast by being treated like shit by arrogant programmers.
Absolutely. The OSS projects that are applications could certainly do with UX designers, but the chances of programmers listening to a UX designer saying that stuff should be removed from the interface are slim. Look at the backlash Ubuntu got from coders for bringing their desktop into the 21st century.
Pics or it didn't happen. In other words, I've hear this a lot on the internet
Me too. And I've seen the nasty emails from Torvalds. Those are what you need, not pics.
Better still, use your programming talents to get a programming job you enjoy. Not only will they treat you more politely than an OSS project, they'll pay you.
You lack a sense of humor... But really look at any nudist camp website and you will see that hot 20 something nudest are very rare.
Democracy becomes a government of bullies, tempered by editors. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson