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Comment Re:Is this really a problem? (Score 1) 193

Will it be half, which is what you claimed higher up about batteries (admittedly in reply to some imbecile who thought it'd be a tenth)?

Wow! One sentence and you managed to make comprehension errors on both short posts you mention.

I never claimed it would be half, and the person I replied to never claimed it would be a tenth.

Comment Re:volume (Score 1) 193

First question, is there only one battery company in the world?

The idea behind your question is that competition always ensures the lowest price for products. That is clearly not true, even in the naive theories of Adam Smith. It's even less true when you consider that the true mechanism is game theory, and Nash showed there are other equilibriums.

Second question, what has price got to do with cost?

Lower the costs and reduce the profit margins by cutting out middle men and using economies of scale, and you can reduce the price. If you are motivated to do so.

Comment Re:Is this really a problem? (Score 2) 193

I'm not entirely convinced "economy of scale" even applies much to Lithium Ion batteries. Their cost these days is largely related to mining and processing the materials that go into them.

Two things. One is that things are always cheaper the more you buy. So those mined materials come cheaper if you have a big manufacturing facility.

Second is that actually most of the raw materials for the batteries will come from recycling old batteries. At the moment Tesla only does a minimal reprocessing themselves, then send old batteries off to 3rd parties to recycle. And those materials don;t come back.

The new factory will recycle as much as possible of the batteries into new batteries. Of the order of 90%.

Comment Re:volume (Score 2) 193

How are they going to make them cheaper?

Economy of scale and efficient recycling of old batteries.

If there was a way of doing so, wouldn't somebody be doing it already?

The incentives for battery companies and an EV company are different. A battery company is quite happy if the market price of a battery remains high. An EV company wants it as low as possible.

Seems to me there are many people out there who think Elan Musk is some combination of Midas & Canute.

Seems to me that as soon as a successful tech entrepreneur starts to become a household name, there's a irrational wave of vitriol and spite comes across a minority of Slashdot posters.

Comment Re:Hybrids (Score 2) 193

In five years or so, when the owners of the first generation of hybrids face that battery upgrade, they might start selling quite cheaply.

Huh? The first generation of hybrids were the original Priuses, which are 17 years old. And user reports are that many of them are still running on original batteries. Replacement if needed is of the order of $2000.

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