Comment Re:No... (Score 1) 533
I cant be completely sure here, but there is a funny pattern I have noticed over the years that may explain your experience. Over and over again, I hear about problems that require these over-engineered solutions from people running over-engineered distros that I just cannot reproduce using my (cleaner) system. So I suspect somewhere in your excessively complex system you have managed to break apache in a way that I cannot reproduce using a simpler system.
Considering that reparenting processes that double fork is tried and true unix philosophy: It would be somewhat surprising to see apachectl properly clean up after itself in your so called cleaner system. Maybe you just fail to properly recreate the problems in your trimmed down universe?
And yet this is an argument for introducing yet more excessive complexity to remedy? Doesnt make sense to me.
None of the init systems currently in use is conceptually very complex. In the end sysv init is actually one of the more complex ones. The others are of course different, but I would not actually call them conceptually more complex.
In fact setting up a service and then starting it is significantly simpler with systemd (and upstart and openrc) than it is with sysv init. Give it a try before complaining about it.
Why would I care? I dont use that system and am not affected by their bugs.
Hmmm... why would you? Maybe because these are fundamental issues with how sysv init works?