Comment Re:Too poor (Score 1) 341
I don't know why I'm bothering to reply when you're pretty obviously trolling/baiting me here, but whatever...
Heh, those are the easiest to achieve. All they have to do is graduate from high school, or learn a skill like welding or something and their income will go up.
Yeah right, so every high school graduate and welder in the country is easily set for retirement? And consequently the majority of Americans (struggling to make ends meet day to day much less save for retirement) are only in that boat because they're unskilled high school dropouts? Even the ones with four-year degrees doing technical jobs and making twice the median income and nevertheless struggling because the median income is a pittance compared to the cost of basic necessities like housing -- they're all unskilled high school dropouts too, somehow? Most Americans are high school dropouts, and all their struggles are all their own lazy faults for not just... welding? Really? Obvious troll is obvious.
Yeah, you can work hard and possibly beat the odds. You can increase you chances of success. But the odds are against you. That's why I said "just try
You mean like overthrow the government? Which is collective and takes political will.
You apparently don't understand even naive set theory. There are a lot of other things much less severe than overthrowing the government that could be achieved if enough people demanded it. Like just changing a few laws here or there. Change doesn't have to mean a complete replacement.
Most likely your ideas are guaranteed minimum income or something boring like that.
Something like that (or a negative income tax, etc) would be a useful band-aid, but in the long run I agree that those are boring solutions. Forced redistribution of wealth is palliative at best, treating the symptoms of a problem, making it hurt less, but not addressing the cause of those symptoms at all, leaving the actual problem untreated.
The problem is that wealth concentrates; that having more wealth makes it easier to acquire more wealth, and having less wealth makes it difficult to even stem the further loss of wealth, to the point that a class of idle rich can live off the labors of a class of working poor, creating the class divide and class immobility which are the symptoms that forced redistribution is aimed at alleviating, but which aren't the root problem. As far as I can see almost nobody is even asking the question of what the root problem is. How does having wealth enable some people to simultaneously work less and gain more? How does lacking wealth force other people to work their asses off and yet gain nothing? Why doesn't wealth naturally flow from the idle rich to the working poor, as the rich pay the poor to work to support them, gradually drawing the rich and poor together into a single moderately-working moderately-wealthy middle class? What breaks that natural process?
The short version of my answer (because I gather you don't really care enough to read a full explanation) is that the problem is any transaction where someone with more wealth than they need for their personal use lends that wealth (be it money, land, whatever) out for temporary use by someone who needs more than they have, in exchange for a permanent transfer of wealth (i.e. money) in the other direction -- rather than a simple sale where both sides give up something permanently in exchange for some permanent gain. Such transactions (the ones we call rent and interest, or in older technical terms, "usury") are the root cause of the problems of capitalism, and if we got rid of them we wouldn't need palliative treatments like forced redistribution at all. A usury-free free market would be one without any of the troubles that free-market opponents deride. It would be one where any high school graduate or welder who showed up and did their job every day could expect to own their own home and eventually retire, unlike the world today.
I have much more I could say about how such a usury-free market could function without disrupting all the things which currently rely on rent and interest, but you probably don't care to hear it.