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Comment Re:A Misnomer (Score 1) 317

"Or maybe you're just being pedantic about the definition of "upgrade"?" Yes I am. I see an upgrade as getting something better than what you already have. A few new 'features', an unintuitive UI change, and a plethora of bugs in a new version of a lame OS is not an upgrade, but merely a change. "Or going from IE6 to IE11 isn't an upgrade, but just a change?" Correct. Going from IE6 to Firefox, for example, is an upgrade.

Going from IE6 to Lynx is an upgrade.

Comment Re:What we have vs. what we want (Score 1) 318

A conversation about the internet that is long, long overdue: Is what we *have* what we *want*, and if not, what can be done about it? What we HAVE is a global network that will never, ever let you forget that silly thing you did whilst young and drunk that everyone thought was so hilarious at the time. Is that really what we want?

Maybe not. But it's kinda meaningless to quibble about the negative side effects when it's obvious the positive effects are so huge there's no way we'll give up on it, nobody likes drive-by shooting but it's obvious we're not going to give up cars. Yes, we would like a free global information-sharing network.

The internet is not some version of an omnipotent God that we are forced to worship. Humans can do what they want with it, including turning part or all of it off.

Comment Re:Why does their need to be a law for this? (Score 1) 318

I'll admit when i was a kid i did make some stupid posts, but all i had to do was email the site owners and just asked them to remove it. Ive done this a couple times, never had a problem, you'll be amazed how willing people are to help you out, no need to force them with ridiculous laws.

Good luck asking Facebook to do something out of the goodness of their hearts.

Comment Re:Remove the stigma. (Score 1) 318

Everyone knows you will NEVER be able to remove all copies of anything from The Internet. Britain's and Americans just need to get over their insane habit of stigmatizing normal human behavior.

I think you are assuming we're just talking about topless selfies or people getting drunk. There are plenty of other things people can publish as teenagers which are genuinely going to come back to haunt them, for example a homophobic, sexist or racist rant.

Lots of teenagers like saying shit because they think it's shocking, without realising the impact if adults (such as their friends later in life) read it.

Comment Re:Let me be the first to say (Score 1) 318

Just spell out nigger here and see how you get moded down whatever the context is. It's like there are idiots that routinely search for term and dump mod point without reading. Niggers! Niggers everywhere!

That's because there are very few contexts in which using the word "nigger" does anything other than drag down a conversation to the level of idiocy of most racists. To the vast majority of people, racism is simply not acceptable any more.

Comment Re:Problem will go away soon (Score 1) 318

Once these idiotic teens who post embarrassing things on the net reach the age and station where they are the hiring managers they would be more forgiving of the applicants with embarrassing on line history.

It is only in the interregnum it is an issue.

That's not how the world works.

People in power are most certainly not going to give up all their privacy in the future.

Comment Re:As usual (Score 1) 318

It is easy to put others to work for "free" with the power of the legislator pen. Being more practical, good look in enforcing that all over the world, and to erase things from pages that the owners or companies no longer exist, and somewhat survive in dormant accounts. Or in bit torrents of defunct hosting sites... Or some photo turned viral, and in the inbox and backups of millions of people. Legislator truly do not understand the Internet. What next, besides blacklists the UK will implement image blacklist based on signatures of things you do not want people to see? What comes ahead them, middle-in-the-man wide country config to open the all-widespread SSL sites? Good luck.

The point is, if you can't find it on a google search, it's effectively not there. So as long as you can get it deleted from the obvious places (Facebook, Twitter) you're probably safe.

Of course, if you're an attractive girl with a nude selfie, it's going to be in a lot more different places than a drunken racist Facebook post.

But a law that is not 100% effective is (potentially) still better than no law at all.

Comment Re:Also, I have an idea: make murder illegal! (Score 1) 318

you can pass a law banning something, but the law can't magically remove that something from the world. Murder is already illegal yet we still have murders.

Yes, but we have far fewer murders than if you were allowed to kill anyone you disliked with no recompense.

If you allowed people to delete their old Facebook messages (etc) there would be far fewer examples of embarrassing old information turning up.

Obviously, it wouldn't make it impossible to find stuff, because anything can be copied and saved somewhere else, but in the vast majority of cases your teenage Facebook post about how you want to make the sex with Justin Bieber won't be saved anywhere except on Facebook's servers.

Comment Re: Wrong age (Score 1) 318

Speak for yourself. Anyone pushed enough fights back. When those that prefer peace (not bullies) finally lash out it is with with much greater ferocity and lack of control.

Yes, but when you fight back against a bully, you are punished by the system as an example to others. When a bully constantly picks on you, the system looks the other way, sometimes actually chanting "zero tolerance policy" while they look the other way.

Not where I live (UK). If anything, schools are over-sensitive about the whole subject and count as "bullying" things which would just have been considered unpleasantness when I was younger, such as name calling.

However, it is better to err in this direction than ignore actual physical bullying, as used to be the case.

Comment Re: Wrong age (Score 1) 318

Bullying does not make kids violent: it makes them meek. Bullies are a small minority and, often, either tomorrow's Ruling Elite or its enforcers. The rest learns their place in the world: heads down, backs bowed.

No, victims of bullying often internalise the violence, and it shows itself in later life as relationship problems, addiction and so on.

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