I don't watch RT or any other TV channel. I quite purposefully read only blogs - from both sides. And only one side is sane right now, guess which one. Mind you, these roles were completely reversed in the first months of the Maidan revolution.

About the invasion: "It's quite hard to prove the Russian involvement" - words of OSCE monitor about the "Russian invasion". But don't take my words, look it up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/r...

Let me translate your comment: "LALALALA Russia is bad LALALALA". So if other countries openly celebrate SS members as heroes then it's OK, but Russia pointing that out is fascism?

Does that help? My pro-rebels posts are getting downvoted all the time. Since it's against the groupthink here. Often simply the ones that provide the data for other points of view. So why bother logging in?

Actually, 'vatnik' is originally what the 'exalted' Western parts of Ukraine liked to call the 'unwashed' Eastern citizens. After all, they spend all the time in those ugly vatniks instead of nice designer clothes.

Oh, and they also scream: "Hang Russians on tree branches" (at 0:25). Just to show how Ukraine develops deep mutual appreciation and tolerance in a multi-cultural society from the very young age.

It's so fucking hilarious... One side in this conflict _literally_ has a party with self-confessed anti-Semite, who is supported by people with official "Ukraine for Ukrainians" ideology and the other party is basically a run-of-the-mill rebels simply wishing to live separately. And the latter party are fascists.

What can I say, nice brainwashing job, Western media. Congrats.

Yes. Really. Otherwise you won't get even a part of the context.

Do you know how deep the rift between the West and East of the Ukraine is? Just watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - school children in the West of Ukraine are chanting "Kill [ethnic slur for Russians] with knives" and "The ones not jumping are [ethnic slur for Russians]'.

Have you heard about anything like this in the Western media? I bet not. Have you heard about the war crimes of Ukrainian army (a proud tradition, starting from the WWII)? Ditto. Have you heard the "joke" about the "time and inspiration"?

Check. The official ideology is "Ukraine for Ukrainians".

Check. The whole Western Ukrainian narrative is filled with it.

Check. Ukraine now censors TV and Internet to prevent non-state-controlled news. Mass gatherings are forbidden - if the current laws were in force in January then Yanukovich could have jailed all of the Maidan protesters. Or simply shot them (just last week a new law had been enacted that allows police and army to shoot suspected rebels without warning shots).

So yes, Ukraine is becoming fascist.

Techies who speak English can read news outside of Ukraine or work around the filters. Most people can't. Besides, Internet is not a very popular news source in Ukraine. It even trails the newspapers.

So how about the overwhelming majority of the citizens choosing independence in a referendum? Is it any more valid than a poll?

There are many thousands rebels now fighting the Ukrainian army. And winning. I think it's your sense of proportion that is off.

So you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and you are not in Ukraine. I'd been living in Ukraine since 2004 until June 22 of this year and I still own a company there, its ID number is 36003074. Feel free to check it using any database (like http://www.ua-region.info/3600... ). I've traveled all over the country and I know lots of people there.

Do you claim to know situation any better?

There is no plurality in Ukrainian media. It's all controlled by Kiev. All the opposition channels are blocked. But that's OK, censorship is fine if it's pro-European. Right?

And except the EU. And China. And the US. Well, on the plus side, Nigeria probably did leave Ukraine the fuck alone.

No, because they are biased and/or simply fabricated.

So just like the Maidan uprising?

Ya ne veru v eto. Seychas Kramatorsk controliruetsa vojakami is kieva, tak chto zhiteli boyatsa za svoi zhizni i govorat to, chto nuzhno. Ili ischezaut. Pokazat video togo, kak pravij sektor izbivaet ludej?

Nobody kicked rebels out, they simply pulled orderly out. They didn't have strength to hold an extended front line back then.

So the main goal of democratic Ukraine is to be just as bad as Russia? I'm afraid that Ukraine has leapfrogged Russia long ago. If Maidan happened today, then its organizers would have been jailed for 20 years according to current laws. A free country, my ass.

They were NOT staged. Please, go and watch them. Do you even understand Russian or are you simply parroting the shit that the mass media blindly copies from Ukrainian media?

BTW, these protests were even covered by BBC.

And are they not? They are ultra-nationalists, they do not hesitate to attack civilian targets on purpose (and that's confirmed by the UN), they censor TV and Internet. That definitely look quite fascisty to me.

Oh, puhlease. BBC simply relays Ukrainian media. And as we all know, Ukrainian media can now outdo Goebbels in bending the truth.

This site http://voicesevas.ru/ has been providing pretty reliable information since the start of the conflict. They have a pretty up-to-date interactive map: http://cassad.net/?do=warmarke... , and here's their map for Aug 10-17: http://voicesevas.ru/img/66833... ( http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo... ). As you can see, they were conducting several offences, including the ongoing destruction of an encircled Ukrainian army division.

Please, get the CNN polls and stuff them deep into your rectum. They are worth just that.

Here's a video of locals stopping a tank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Here is an iconic picture of Putin's agent provocateurs blocking a railroad crossing to stop Ukrainian tanks: http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/acc... and another one http://crisisua.net/zhiteli-sl...

I was personally in Kramatorsk helping to move my friend's family from there during the start of the conflict. And I certainly know that the reason for the conflict was not Putin.

And? Mariupol is fairly far from Donetsk, and after one month or brainwashing by the Ukrainian media, people there believe that the Russian army is coming to kill, rape and eat them (possibly not in that order). Do you know that Ukraine now has no opposition TV channels and jams the Russian TV (using the same jammers that USSR had been using earlier to stop 'The Voice of America')?

Incidentally, if we're talking about the people digging trenches: http://gordonua.com/news/war/P... then it turned out to be a photo-op, staged by Ukrainian media.

Hm... The old USSR anthem was actually quite nice. It had zero references to the USSR being the supreme nation or anything. Unlike the anthems of certain countries (see: "The Star-Spangled Banner" as an example).

Rebels consolidated control over their areas and also won several tactical victories before the 'invasion'. If anything, this 'invasion' can be associated with more aggressive push towards capturing Mariupol. I.e. with offensive operations.

Personally, I have a lot of doubts that the 'invasion' is really real. It looks more like Kiev tries to frantically shift the blame from the extreme stupidity of Ukrainian military commanders who simply use soldiers as cannon fodder.