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Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47802943) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
You're muddling the story. After the Crimea takeover (which I don't support, btw) people in the East started capturing local administrative building. This tactic had been successful with the Maidan protesters, they captured most of the Western administrations (torturing and beating at least one governor) before the fall of Yanukovich.

Just as a note, I think that Yanukovich should be hanged on the same tree branch with Poroshenko, Yatsenuk and Turchinov.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47802923) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
Oh, really? Here's a photo for you: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media... ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-... ). The very first proposed law of the post-Maidan parliament was a repeal of law forbidding the denial of nazi crimes. Then the law removing the special status of the Russian language.

Sorry, but while Maidan was not a classic neo-nazi, by the end it was definitely nationalistic and anti-Russian. I had been there at the very start (and I donated more than $5k to help protesters) but had to leave for two months. When I returned, everything was different.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47802897) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
Dude, do you know that inciting ethnic or racial strife is a _felony_ in Russia? Punishable by up to 8 years in prison, at that. There are also 25 official state languages and something like 200 different ethnicities. Russia is nowhere close to a fascist state.

It IS an authoritarian state with a de-fact dictator and dysfunctional court system. And also with an energe-export economy which is leading to nowhere (you can guess that I don't like Putin). But that's beside the point right now.

Comment: Re:Some people might unfairly judge Ukraine (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47802535) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
Also a thought, the new Ukrainian slogan: "Hail to Ukraine! Hail to Heroes!" is taken DIRECTLY from the WWII. From the nazi-allied Ukrainian forces that had committed multiple war crimes against Poles and had zero effect on the regular USSR army. Kinda fits the situation today.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47802117) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
I'm curious, how can you comment these kinds of videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - the Ukrainian soldiers say that local citizens in the 'liberated' areas call them 'fascists' or 'ukrops'. They are sincerely baffled that they are not, in fact, greeted as heroes by the people in the East.

Comment: Re:Rules of war (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47801515) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
The maps show important several divergences, like separated Lugansk and Donetsk (in reality they never were). Or the lack of clashes away from the rebel-controlled area.

If the BBC maps are copied from the official military intelligence then it's no wonder that rebels don't have trouble encircling Ukrainian military.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47801455) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots

Well both referendums were verifiably rigged, the Crimea one where the real results were accidentally posted publicly coupled with impossible numbers

Oh, who cares. We have a number, after all. It's so obviously true! It's as true as CNN polls!

Yes, absolutely, because the anecdote of a pro-Russian individual does still not somehow override the thoughts and opinions of the majority that are widely publicised.

So basically, it's called Wikireality. Nice. Do you understand that you've just channeled our dear beloved mister Goebbels? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself".

Ah, so you share Putin's paranoia that the Ukrainian revolution happened because of the West, rather than the actual fact of the matter than for the third fucking time the Ukrainians tried to make it clear to Russia that they do not want to be part of Russia

Yeah, and diplomatic help of the West also helped. Do you remember the shitstorm that the Western countries started when Yanukovich passed the laws banning weapons from demonstrations?

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47801385) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots
I don't watch RT or any other TV channel. I quite purposefully read only blogs - from both sides. And only one side is sane right now, guess which one. Mind you, these roles were completely reversed in the first months of the Maidan revolution.

About the invasion: "It's quite hard to prove the Russian involvement" - words of OSCE monitor about the "Russian invasion". But don't take my words, look it up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/r...

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47799583) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots

"Kill [ethnic slur for Russians] with knives" and "The ones not jumping are [ethnic slur for Russians]'.

Oh, and they also scream: "Hang Russians on tree branches" (at 0:25). Just to show how Ukraine develops deep mutual appreciation and tolerance in a multi-cultural society from the very young age.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 1) 220

by Cyberax (#47799577) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots

This time around there is no excuse for not knowing the truth. Last time you could claim you did not know because you were lied to. This time you have to actively put the fingers in your ears and shout LALALALA. And that's what you do.

It's so fucking hilarious... One side in this conflict _literally_ has a party with self-confessed anti-Semite, who is supported by people with official "Ukraine for Ukrainians" ideology and the other party is basically a run-of-the-mill rebels simply wishing to live separately. And the latter party are fascists.

What can I say, nice brainwashing job, Western media. Congrats.

Comment: Re:Wait.... what? (Score 0) 220

by Cyberax (#47799563) Attached to: Ukraine Asks Zuckerberg to Discipline Kremlin Facebook Bots

So, one has to speak russian to understand this conflict? Really?

Yes. Really. Otherwise you won't get even a part of the context.

Do you know how deep the rift between the West and East of the Ukraine is? Just watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - school children in the West of Ukraine are chanting "Kill [ethnic slur for Russians] with knives" and "The ones not jumping are [ethnic slur for Russians]'.

Have you heard about anything like this in the Western media? I bet not. Have you heard about the war crimes of Ukrainian army (a proud tradition, starting from the WWII)? Ditto. Have you heard the "joke" about the "time and inspiration"?

- is a genus of political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism

Check. The official ideology is "Ukraine for Ukrainians".

- is a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity

Check. The whole Western Ukrainian narrative is filled with it.

- abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

Check. Ukraine now censors TV and Internet to prevent non-state-controlled news. Mass gatherings are forbidden - if the current laws were in force in January then Yanukovich could have jailed all of the Maidan protesters. Or simply shot them (just last week a new law had been enacted that allows police and army to shoot suspected rebels without warning shots).

So yes, Ukraine is becoming fascist.

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