Yeah I can just see the headlines if a government department bought Macs for its staff.

The Windows 8 interface being a case in point where there's overwhelming dislike of that poorly thought out mess but there are still plenty of people here in favour of it because new is always better.

The NHS and the welfare state are different things. One is a health service and the other is a social security system. I'm not sure where the rest of your waffle is going but then this is a typical tactic by libertarians - end the argument by boring the shit out of the opponent.

I know it is genius. I am from here and the reference was to British youth or did you happen to miss that while you were quoting it? If British youth really were libertarian leaning as that opinion piece seems to suggest then they would see the NHS as a bad thing. Knowing more British youth than either you or the author, I'm telling you that's not true. But then you also missed the fact that I was making a sarcastic reference to the ridiculous hysteria about universal healthcare in your country.

Yes I did thanks. Not a strawman just knowledge of my country and its people.

I thought it would be something like that. Easy tax avoidance strategy. Don't speed. Don't park where it says you shouldn't. Clean up after your dog. Your example is disgraceful for sure but I get so tired of hearing OMG TAX from people when they've been punished for deliberately breaking the law.

Tax collection?

Given that their monopoly abuse is what led to this clusterfuck they should provide patches until the end of time.

I'd dispute that British youth would support the removal of the NHS which as we all know is an attack on people's fundamental freedom to die of preventable diseases

Because they identify themselves as libertarian? Are they lying? How do I tell?

Define basic services. I've had libertarians on here say that fire services should be provided by the private sector and anyone who can't afford to pay should spend what little free time they have after working 80 hours a week just to feed their kids as a volunteer fireman. A lot of people would argue that things like education and healthcare are also basic services since they contribute to the well-being of the nation.

Until you have to unblock a toilet.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates that patronising phrase. You're not dying of starvation or disease so you should be happy all the time.

Yeah we've still got a few of them too. They work and rarely need any changes so they'll probably last a few more years. Server 2012 supports it so it's not going away quietly.

VB.NET is still very much alive.