Rebel forces admit the Russians are fighting with them.
RUSSIANS, not RUSSIAN MILITARY. That's the crucial difference. And pardon me, but I don't believe pictures without any other corroboration.
Russia and Ukraine have swapped prisoners, including Russian airborne soldiers captured in Ukraine.
They were not airborne soldiers and they were captured near the border far from the Ukrainian front. So yes, I'd go with 'accidentally lost' theory.
Um, are you stupid? of course they would, they're not exactly going to admit to shooting unarmed civilians are they?
They could have blamed Berkut officers who escaped to Crimea. Yet curiously there are no witnesses of actual shooters.
As opposed to the self-admitted war crimes of Putin of using soldiers passed off as civilians in Crimea?
Yet Putin's war crimes happened to be bloodless. There was only one fatality during the Crimea takeover.
So why in that case are you merely parroting RT's line and nothing else?
Maybe because only RT tells about such things? Have you thought about that?
though it doesn't show graphic photos like that, but it didn't of MH17 either so your speculation there is completely false
Oh RLY? Let's see: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media... ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-... ) No, no graphic images at all. No tearful stories of "imagine what these poor passengers felt after the rocket hit".
Similar tragedies happen in Ukraine every day now, yet a note somewhere on CNN is certainly enough. Even better if it's worded in a way that tries to avoid blaming Ukrainian soldiers.
Ukraine could've quite happily moved forward from it's revolution peacefully but Moscow wouldn't allow that.
And without Western diplomatic support and pressure, there would have been NO revolution at all. Yanukovich would have been voted out by now and everything would have been OK. How about that?
Look I get it, you're not willing to pay attention that the Berkut in question who did what Yanukovych wanted were the ones who ended up in Eastern Ukraine fighting with the Russians (as documented by journalists).
Actually, no. Even Berkuts say that unknown agents, probably from FSB shot people. There's a very real probability that that was a false-flag operation. We see from the current war crimes committed by the Ukrainian army that Maidan leaders are happy to oblige in such matters.
I doubt I can get through to you because you're the sort of fucked up individual that would support persecution of the Jews in 1939, just as you support persecution of ethnic Ukrainians and Tatars now, the fact you think the West ever supported IS or some Nazi mass murderers is comical
Yet that's what ends up happening. Intentionally or not, in Libya (militia there are doing ethnic cleansings), Syria and Iraq (ISIS), Egypt (more than 300 death sentences for a murder of a policeman) and so on.
Moscow only lets you see what the Kremlin wants you see for a reason right?
I do not watch Russian TV channels. I do not even read official Russian news. All the information I get is from blogs and/or forums. For example, try to read this one: http://talk.lg.ua/index.php?sh... or this blog http://lugansk.co.ua/ . You just _might_ notice that people there do not support Kiev (there ARE supporters, but only a 'vocal minority').
Now tell me, has CNN shown these photos: http://voicesevas.ru/img/4fd15... - that's a bus full of civilians (including children) shot and burned by Ukrainian army. I think not. But of course, every photo of Malaysian airplane got plastered all over the news everywhere.
See, you're basing your conclusions not on actual information, but on several axioms: "Moscow is bad", "Ukraine is good", "English-speaking media is honest". In this system, anything that conflicts with your view is simply 'Russian propaganda' and is obviously false.
You are right that rising ultra-nationalism Ukraine doesn't exist though, the presidential polls proved that, where the far right only got 2% of the vote.
That's because an ultra-nationalistic Lyashko got most of it (12%). Mind you, that was a presidential poll and many citizens voted for the candidate that they want to win.
Think about what? eyewitness account from both sides - the police, and the protesters were clear that the only ones shooting were the Berkut on the roof tops
Here's an interview with a Berkut serviceman, now fighting on the side of Kiev in ATO: http://korrespondent.net/ukrai... He denies that there were snipers behind the Berkut lines. You might also note that the investigation of the shooting went exactly nowhere.
Also a philosophical observation - the West supports ANYONE who declares support for the West. Without even looking who they are. Are you a cannibal ultra-nazi mass murderer but declaring the support of the West? Fine, you're in! That attitude has already lead us to Libya, Iraq and Syria becoming one big total mess.
Not really, I just remember what actually happened which is that Western countries were not happy with Yanukovych's Berkut puppets shooting from rooftops at regular police and protesters alike to try and provoke a violent confrontation
You're the one who said 'agent-provocateurs', aren't you? Do you know that the trees with bullet holes from snipers were cut down and burned by the no-longer-protesters 3 days after the shooting? Think about it.
Well both referendums were verifiably rigged, the Crimea one where the real results were accidentally posted publicly coupled with impossible numbers
Oh, who cares. We have a number, after all. It's so obviously true! It's as true as CNN polls!
Yes, absolutely, because the anecdote of a pro-Russian individual does still not somehow override the thoughts and opinions of the majority that are widely publicised.
So basically, it's called Wikireality. Nice. Do you understand that you've just channeled our dear beloved mister Goebbels? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself".
Ah, so you share Putin's paranoia that the Ukrainian revolution happened because of the West, rather than the actual fact of the matter than for the third fucking time the Ukrainians tried to make it clear to Russia that they do not want to be part of Russia
Yeah, and diplomatic help of the West also helped. Do you remember the shitstorm that the Western countries started when Yanukovich passed the laws banning weapons from demonstrations?
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