On the flow batteries, nothing.
OTOH, put a bullet through li-ion, and it will heat up over time.

BUT, put a leak into a nat gas line, near some sparks, well, then you have a REAL EXPLOSION.
And that is exactly why gas/diesel cars have many times more death per car mile, than do real electric cars.

That does not mean that it will be.
What is needed is for the utilities to change direction. The profit should be in providing grid and storage. Basically, they need to spin off the electricity production and focus on the monopoly. By doing this, they can change their large grids into small 100 MW grids, use the storage to meet say 2 hours of demand. Then pay the same price for electricity no matter if it is from coal, nukes, nat gas, wind, geo-thermal, solar, etc. Then they make the money CHARGING for the difference (whole sale vs. retail).

You are right that storage has losses. In fact, with EOS energy, you will lose about 15-25% but with much of it coming from line losses. That is why ideally, utilities will not do single large storage, but will instead, work on the 100 MWh size storage while creating microgrids.

Yeah, but what is really needed is to get utilities to do the storage, but on smaller scales. Ideally, they utilities would do storage AND GRID SEPARATION. The small grids should be around 100 MW, with the storage able to do say, 15-120 minutes. Now to many, the separation sounds foolish, however, with this, it enables a utility to make faster changes to the super grids, while the storage allows for utilities to not only deal with AE, but also to better handle the variables demand. Interestingly, you mentioned a number of these that have been going on for a LONG TIME.

BUT, one that is new and really gaining traction are the flow batteries. These are built to a certain size (i.e. a maximum amps that it can deliver) combined with a reserve of liquid (which is the total kWHs). One that I like is the EOS Energy which uses zinc (dirt cheap and plentiful). They are charging less than what a nat gas plant costs and have around 75% efficiency. As such, they are around .12-.17 / kWh, and is dropping quickly. Right now, the national average is .13 / kWh, so, this will only get better.

I wonder if they will now turn it over to ISIS and AQ if they demand it?

What a fucking moron you are.
The whole crisis over there was created by you neo-cons/tea-baggers that sit at kock brothers zippers getting slobbered faced.
The smartest thing that O can do is study the board before making visible moves.
In the mean time, he is busy training others over there and sending weapons there.

Sadly, it was you neo-cons/tea* that blocked O from going into Syria and helping the GOOD side, and instead, allowed Assad AND ISIS to gain strength.

Take the kock's cock out of your mouths and walk away from your addiction to them.

uh, no.
Dumb fucks like you just come here and troll so that idiots will believe you.
Cowards like you can troll on another site.

We do make it worse if we invade. Horrible idea. BUT, there is no reason why we can not help those that oppose ISIS.

Agreed about voting stupid. The problem is, what do you consider voting stupid? I would guess that my form of stupid is exactly what you want.

Look, I have said all along that AQ has access to biologicals and that they can do FAR WORSE damage.
BUT, AQ had some warped and interesting principles. Basically, until a islamic priest would give permission to kill many innocents, they did not attack. In POF, they took responsibility for their actions. In a number of ways, they acted like a normal nation SHOULD

ISIS is NOT under the same constraints. Weaponized plague is easy enough to solve and cure.
I am far more concerned about their weaponizing avian flu, mers, ebola, or even rabies.

Thsee have the potential to spread much further through western society without easy ways to stop them.

Oddly, in some of my earlier posts about ISIS, we had a number of ppl defending these animals. I have to wonder if any of them were trolls with ISIS, or just sympathizers.

Only a fool thinks that Nukes are dead, or for that matter, wants them dead. Heck, with JUST the nuke waste ( both from nuke plants and from rare earth mining) that we have, if we use transatomic and flibe reactors, we would have enough ENERGY (not just electricity, but full energy) to do 100% of America's Energy for over 100 years.

And note that we got into the mess that we are, because we took coal to over 60% of our electrical usage.

And yet, silicon valley is now funding Transatomic who can burn up 'waste' in a far simpler reactor. This makes them DIRT CHEAP.

It is easy enough to change the law that allows for reactors that can USES waste, instead of creating new waste.

This is NOT nuclear waste. It is only waste, if you use it in the 3rd gens and under reactors that we have.
Instead, we should be building transatomic and flibe reactors at these old sites and using this 'waste' for fuel.
Then when it is REALLY done in another 100 years, we can bury less than 5% of the current volume and have it be safe within 200 years. Heck, we can just inject it back into ground.

The REAL problem is that we are throwing away useful FUEL. None of that waste should be buried. Instead, it should go into new reactors that can make use of it, and then what is left from that, should be buried.

Right now, the greatest detriment is that the far left and far right are INSISTENT on pushing their own form of energy.
The only one being smart is O who wants to push them all, but is too busy dealing with the house neo-cons/tea*