Remember how long it took to lay Carbon to rest.

Carbon was an entirely different set of frameworks.

Swift on the other hand uses all of the existing frameworks - only the have tweaked the Swift definition of the endpoints such that it's more Swift friendly (like knowing when arguments or return values will or will not be null for sure).

So there is zero Carbon-Like transition time involved.

I'm not drinking the Apple Kool-Aid, I am telling you what is happening in real-world iOS development today. If you learn anything but Swift you are going to be WAY behind state of the art inside a year.

I'd say it's 50/50 whether or not Swift will get enough traction to continue on.

Jumping horny ghost toad of Fernando, you are not really that stupid, are you? Please tell me you are just trolling? You really don't understand what happens when Apple puts weight behind a development technology? Wow.

In one year I will re-link to your post in EVERY Slashdot post you make.

At this point I wouldn't even buy whatever CEREAL you normally buy, with judgement like that.

There's a very strong case to be made for Swift first going forward, and not many seem to be making it or understand the iOS dev world at all.

I speak as someone who has been developing iOS applications since somewhat before the release of the iOS SDK way back when.

I don't think anyone outside those paying the closest attention to iOS development realize how rapidly Swift is being adopted, especially by those who have been doing Objective-C the longest.

That's the core aspect of this I don't think people understand. iOS developers by and large are a very pragmatic bunch. Even those who love Objective-C (and there are many) are perfectly happy to move to something new that makes development even faster so they can accomplish the end goal of building apps for people.

That's really what iOS developers really care about, delivering apps. Anything that helps they are on-board with, and you can plainly see Apple is backing Swift big-time so the developers are hitching to that very powerful wagon.

If I were advising ANY developer new to iOS, I would absolutely say go Swift first. Someone said there's more Objective-C educational material? Technically true, but also consider how much of that is outdated. With Swift anything you find (and there is a LOT right now) is guaranteed fresh.

If you worry the iOS development market is overcrowded, don't - experienced developers for all backgrounds are badly needed all over.

Swift isn't finished. From what I've read, they expect to make syntax-incompatible changes.

That was before Swift 1.0 introduced with the final XCode 6 and iOS8. They aren't breaking syntax anymore...

And even when they were, it was usually pretty minor things to fix.

I'd imagine it will eventually (over a couple of decades)

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You don't know Apple, or iOS developers. Dominant over ObjC within two years (and by the end of next year that prediction will probably seem ridiculously conservative).

"What concerns me about this is companies marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law."

Well that's pretty rich considering the government has allowed lots of federal agencies to place themselves beyond the law.

Forget you amateur scum that are not with movie studios, how many votes can you bring? How many weeping melodramas showing how evil "The Others" are can you produce?

You must have missed:

This Or This (or countless others), any one of which is vastly worse than the things you list - only one of the items you list is a security issue. And the last one you list affects Android devices also (wow, a large flat object can be bent! How amazing!), not to mention the iCloud brute-force attempt was not even used to gather data, meanwhile Android has no real backup solution for users AT ALL. Way to spend a hideous weakness into a strength.

Simply put, using Android is noting the very real threats to security faced on that platform, recommending it to a non-technical person is ethically the same as giving them walking directions through the worst part of town and laughing at they head off.

I'll let you have the last response as you are blind to all weaknesses in your platform, just as lemmings are blind to the cliff ahead...

The issue affected people putting the phone in their front pocket.

Same difference, and it still affects other Phablet owners just as equally.

Apple has a lot of lemmings.

You want to see lemmings? Look at every Android owner who continues to buy into a platform that is horribly insecure and a second class citizen where applications are concerned. Buying Android because "Not Apple" makes you guys the largest bunch of lemmings history will ever see.

Um, you're aware the iPhone6 is getting huge negative press for literally deforming while inside a front pocket?

Um, you're aware that the iPhone 6 sold 10 million units launch weekend and is still gong strong? And that any large phone has the same problem so people learn not to sit on them?

The only thing the articles do is help the case industry.

I ordered the Six Monolith, even though I am quite sure it's too large.

I write iOS applications for a living, and I need it for testing, so I will suffer the thing to have the newer form factor to test on.

The one aspect where I'm thinking I'll like the size more and not less is for photography. For a long time I've been wishing they would put larger cameras into the iPad, now they have...

After switching to x86: x86 is awesome!

My feeling at the time was that it was nice to have it be faster, but I still didn't like the mess underneath that was x86 instruction sets... but since I didn't have to deal with it that was OK.

For the first time since I started w/the iPhone (the 3G was my first one), I see absolutely nothing of value with this major release version which makes me want to upgrade to it.

I'll be paying $99 for the 5S and be happy w/it. Sorry but unnecessarily bigger sizes and a better camera is not worth $200+contract renewal.

"There are more Android devices to choose from."

But there are also other iPhones to choose from. Apple still sells the 5s and 5c...

There are a lot of Android smartphones but not actually that many if you look at the models that sell in large numbers. Basically, there is Samsung.

but the extremes get a lot more extreme

The opposite is true, we've had fewer very large storms, less destructive weather of all kinds across the globe.

Gaia is pissed off you are trying to make her dance like a monkey for your own agenda and is sitting ion her hands.

Here's the thing. Whether it's happening... whether it's human caused or not... LET'S STOP POLLUTION FOR IT'S OWN SAKE.

I totally agree.

But all of the Alarmists don't care at all about pollution, they only care about CO2 - which is not pollution, and stopping that does pretty much nothing in terms of stopping real pollution.

When you all get back to caring about the environment and not making people at alternative energy companies (or carbon exchanges) rich please get back to us so we can start trying to protect the environment again.

They're mostly a waste of time anyway everyone just strokes their own egos and you spend 2 days digesting information in an archaic inefficient way

You're doing it wrong.

The reason to go to the conferences is NOT the lectures (which these days are all on videos anyway) but to spend AS MUCH time as possible talking to either the people working for the company who produces the technology the conference is about, or people working heavily with said technology. You learn a LOT more that way and make great contacts that are really useful in solving problems or finding new jobs.

Going to conferences is also something to mention on a resume in general, it shows a lot more dedication than most people to keeping technically sharp.