and can't think of any fallacy you've ever legitimately pointed out in any of my points.
That statement makes sense only if
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You haven't been reading what I write (an easy argument to support based on what you have written)
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- You realize you haven't made any points as your arguments are faith-based rather than fact-based
OR, you're full of crap.
If that is your belief then why do you continue in this discussion at all? I don't believe you to be full of crap; I believe you to be stating your opinion without concern for the fact that you have no facts to support said opinion.
you want to make the question of the President's actions on the night of 11Sep2011 about me, instead of him and his administration
Wrong. I don't know why you feel the need to try to level accusations at me out of thin air - perhaps this is you acknowledging that your accusations against the POTUS are to date entirely without merit?
There you go, begging the question. AGAIN. How can you possibly know "your accusations against the POTUS are to date entirely without merit?"
Because you have never given ANY facts to support your undying screams for impeachment. You have been given a great number of chances to do so, and not once have actually made any attempt to meet that request. If you had any merit to your aspirations at all, you certainly would have provided some factual material by this point.
My suggestion is that Grand Jury run its course.
And if the investigator does not find enough evidence to call a grand jury? I presume you will just find another investigator at that time? You certainly have not given any reason to believe that you are aware of any evidence of an impeachable offense having occurred.
Let Gowdy do his job, say I.
You called him in because you didn't like the people who investigated your conspiracy theory before. When pajamas tells you that his results are somehow wrong - based on the fact that he won't find reason to call a grand jury for impeachment - what will you do then?
The problem here is that you are calling for someone to be thrown out of office based on your feelings about them. Even more so, you are calling for the legal system to be completely ignored because of your feelings.
The point I'm making is that your use of the second person is silly. None of this is on me. I can expect you to continue to assert that I, personally, have some burdern of proof in either direction on this case. You'll also (likely) try to say that my pointing out my disconnection from any burden is a rejection of the legal system, as you are here
My use of the term "you" is based on what you have shouted for in your own comments here on slashdot. You have repeatedly called for the removal of the POTUS simply for being a democrat. You have repeatedly called for the legal system to be jettisoned like last week's garbage simply to further your aspirations towards ending the presidency of a democrat early. You have repeatedly called for the consumption of vast amounts of time and money to further your favorite witch hunt of the week.
Just because you did not personally select the investigator for this does not mean this is not what you have been screaming for for the past 8 years. You came almost completely unhinged as soon as you realized the white house was going back to blue and haven't looked back since.
You won't be happy with his findings. You have already shown a hatred for the legal system; will you therefore call Gowdy's findings "tainted" and call for another investigator? Or will you just go ahead and start calling for people to raise pitchforks?
You speak of speculation as though it were fact.
You have already tried inserting your dreams of a grand jury. I am instead inserting reality. Try it some time; you likely won't like it but it will help you prepare for what is to come.
News flash: I really don't care about political parties, and think we should systematically weaken them all. Nothing about politics is about "my team" verses "yours".
On this one, I must call bullshit. You have been consistently trying to make a claim that the guys from your party are somehow philosophically superior to the current POTUS, even though the POTUS has signed every bill that your party has brought him, and outdone your party on the ambitions that they had - same direction but greater magnitude - only a couple years ago.
Look at you insisting that the GOP is my party.
Smitty, I really, really, wish you would go back to actually reading text before vomiting out responses to them. I did not say anything in that block of text about the GOP. I know that you on occasion claim to not support the GOP. I also know that on occasion you emphatically endorse people from the GOP. I don't really care which party you claim to be part of at this moment today. The point is that you have representation in congress, you have members in both the house and senate who you cheer for and agree with. Those members have authored, voted in favor of, and delivered bills. Those bills have been signed by the POTUS at an acceptance rate higher than nearly any other in history.
In other words, don't pretend that you don't control the white house as well.
I'm not sure how Trey Gowdy is doing anything illegal
I never suggested he is doing anything illegal. You are, once again, trying to insert words that were not used. I'm sorry that your argument is so lacking that you feel yourself left to do such a thing.
What I have said is that it is a waste of money, and more so, it is only the beginning of the money that you are determined to waste.
So, if Gowdy is behaving legally, and wasting money is the chief end of government, what was the issue, again?
Your dodge of your own lie is noted. As for the second part of your response, just because you see all of government spending as being inherently wasteful does not mean that other people agree with you. In spite of your beliefs, there is government spending that benefits people - even spending that benefits you.
So we have a symmetry centered around not wasting time reading sources we deem unreliable, misinformative, or useless. Whoopdy do.
No, this is in no way symmetric. You linked to a partisan review of original work, which I correctly labeled as such. There is no original work in the pajamas article, it is not even close to being in the same league of relevance as the NYTimes or Senate investigation reports.
Furthermore, as you have shown that you will take pride in illiteracy when you don't like the source, will you do the same when the investigator doesn't find adequate justification for calling a grand jury? How many investigators do you want to call in order to try to get the results you want? Will you hold an impeachment of Obama in 2017? 2018? 2019? 2020? You certainly won't get it done before election day of 2016.
I've got more confidence in the integrity of Bashar Assad than I do Harry Reid.
That was the most substantive part of your "response", there. Why did you even bother quoting it when you didn't bother addressing it?
Your claim of disinterest in this witch hunt is thoroughly discredited by the volume of text you have produced showing your enthusiasm for the same.
I'm not interested in conducting the investigation.
Is that you distancing yourself from it because you know it won't lead to impeachment?
From the standpoint of our military, which has to know absolutely that our elected leadership is backing it fully to the hilt when the tungsten flies, we really need to get the full play-by-play out there.
I don't recall "incapable of ever making a mistake, ever" being a job requirement of the presidency. Why was this never a requirement before? We certainly have had other people on Pennsylvania Ave make military mistakes, which cost far more than 4 lives.
Your own writing plainly illustrates your infinite faith in the conspiracy theories that you help to propagate regarding the POTUS. To make the point more clear, let us compare these two critical items of your faith - Jesus and your faith in bringing down the POTUS with a conspiracy theory:
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Which one do you put more time into on a daily basis?
- Which one do you write about more often?
- Which one do you write about in larger volume?
- Which one do you put more of your money towards?
I suspect the latter option to be the correct answer for you on all four counts.
Sorry, the Benghazi thing is mostly about trolling you. This exchange, itself, is 95% of the time I spend on the topic. I do this because you seem kinda needy, as though your personality would implode without infusions of Benghazi riffs. But really: who is spending money on this?
We see that you refuse to answer the questions. Duly noted. Interesting that you feel free to do the discussion equivalent of "plead the fifth" here, when you want to ensure that no such option is extended to the person you want to throw out of Washington.
I wish that statement was true. If the facts were truly your goal then you would read all the reports that have information that relate to your conspiracy theories, without disqualifying them based on your preconceived notions of who wrote them. You have basically at this point read an article from pajamas advising you to shove a hot poker in your eye, then opted to outdo their suggestion by shoving it into both eyes, and finally proceeded to run around blaming your blindness on Obama. The first was a poor idea, the second an atrociously bad one, and the third one that is thoroughly illogical in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Sorry, I can't make any sense of this passage.
The point is that your statement of "the goal is facts" is utter bullshit. You are clearly interested in punishment and blame. Facts haven't mattered to you on this regard for a long, long time.
I expect you would want to have me thrown in jail if we met in person. That said, buying a cup of coffee doesn't say anything about what your next call will be when Gowdy does not call a grand jury. Everything you have written to date supports the notion that you will just demand more investigations, until you get one that gives you the answers you want.
Jail is an ugly place. Are you saying that jailing you is needful?
I am saying that you are aiming to make a crime out of "being alive while not being exceptionally conservative". I don't agree that such a thing should be considered criminal any more so than the inverse of it.
I should think the fact that I continue to have any dialogue with you at all indicates that I'm quite a tolerant, forgiving person.
The way you opt not to read does not support your claim of tolerance. Your claim of being forgiving does not make any sense either, considering the things you try to offer forgiveness for.
... the rest of your line was too ridiculous to merit repeating. Yes, we know you refused - and continue to refuse - to read the article. Yes, we know you will never have a good reason for doing so.
Give me The Onion, or at least National Enquirer.
You are, again, leveling a faith-based claim to knowledge and superiority there. You could have read the article many times over in the amount of time you have spent bragging about not having read it. I can't make you not hate the Times, nor can I make you stop your illiteracy campaign. I can, however, continue to point out how silly you make yourself look while on it.
This isn't about "winning". This is about honesty, which you have happily discarded in this matter. You used to be an honest man, I remember that from your past writings. Now you are driven only by partisan hatred, and you have no qualms about spending billions of dollars on a completely futile effort to destroy someone purely because of the party that selected him to run for office.
Keep in mind that I don't really believe you either, at any point. I laugh at your cheap "You used to be an honest man" ploy.
I believe you to be honestly representing your personal faith. I agree with pretty much none of it, but it is your own faith and you are free to hold on to it as you wish. There is nothing cheap or "ploy" driven about stating that you used to be an honest man. As time as marched forward your replies have become more about attacking me, making up things that I did not say, and trying to trick me into saying silly things.
And honestly, your replies have been so repetitive that I'm surprised you haven't tripped the slashdot lameness filter for using the same bit over and over again.